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Super-toad 65
Posted on 09-30-16 01:34 PM Link | #78104
They have money and spend them for dumb ideas helpful only for them.

And why do they sign up stuff like the objective of the 2015 paris meeting for the world? If they don't wantt to do anything, don't even subscribe -.-

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StapleButter
Posted on 09-30-16 01:42 PM (rev. 2 of 09-30-16 01:47 PM) Link | #78105
NoDAPL protest at Enbridge

Enbridge is the largest financial contributor to DAPL.

I like the protesters' taste in this (the lemonade stand is priceless). But anyway, what we can say from this:

* Laws don't matter! The DAPL is an illegal project, yet it is actively encouraged and protected by the government, while those who oppose it get smacked by the law. The government is controlled by the capitalist system, all that matters is more capital at the expense of everything else.

* Striking Enbridge's office is a good idea, it directly exposes their employees to knowing the dire things their company is funding. But how many employees would be willing to risk their daily comfort to take action, be it quitting their job or anything else? See what I said above-- the capitalist system is an insidious enemy. It provides you daily comfort if you stay within it, killing most will to overthrow it.

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MusiMasta
Posted on 10-01-16 02:49 AM Link | #78123
Damn, I looked at the other news and videos regarding the DAPL. Our world has literally become senseless, those police just freaking arrest people for uh, peacefully trying to convey a message? But obviously, they choose to stand like rocks and robots that just do what their masters tell them to do senselessly, without a compassionate feeling towards others - and the world even, and more importantly, a rational ability to at least get some input from your surroundings and come to your own conclusions instead of obeying the master like a slave just for money. Money has ruined the world so much...yet it is so important.

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Marionumber1
Posted on 10-01-16 04:07 PM (rev. 2 of 10-01-16 04:08 PM) Link | #78154
The best part is that after setting the Earth on a path to destruction, the oligarchs have an escape plan: Mars. Only the wealthiest people (mostly Americans) are going to be able to afford the voyage, so it'll be a country club gathering fleeing a dying planet. As they're off starting a new civilization on Mars, we'll be dealing with destructive wars and environmental devastation here on Earth. Even more disgustingly, this essentially becomes a eugenics program, with only the wealthy allowed to survive and procreate.

StapleButter
Posted on 10-01-16 04:41 PM Link | #78155
Seriously? lol. How could you even survive on a planet that has no ecosystem, little to no atmosphere, is well exposed to cosmic radiation, solar rays and other shit, and is nothing but dust?

Bringing Earth species there and hope they enjoy it?

Terraforming Mars to be remotely livable is far more difficult than fixing the issues we have caused on Earth. Oh, that's right, Mars doesn't have a giant capitalist system leading it to death and never stopping. For now.


This reminds me of the movie Elysium. Except with a planet instead of a spaceship thing.


We don't want to live on Mars. We don't want to live on no stinky hostile planet or spaceship. Earth is our home. We must strive to preserve it.

The defeatist stories of 'oh noes, Earth is doomed' are fucking bullshit. The capitalist system is using those as an excuse for saying "we're doomed anyway, so better keep going and make as much money as possible". The capitalist system doesn't want to stop its industry and shameful practices. The capitalist system wants to keep building capital. And it will not stop. Even if Earth must die, they will proceed to exploit Mars, then find another planet to suck dry like an orange, and so on.


As this year’s hit movie The Martian showed us, once on Mars it’s possible to grow food

It's a fucking movie. Who knows whether that is actually possible? And anyway, he had to use his teammates' shit to fertilize the Martian dust and grow his potatoes, which can only work for so long. You do need a balanced ecosystem to sustain life for long. How complex the ecosystem has to be is probably unknown, but I don't think humans and potatoes will cut it, or that it qualifies as an ecosystem.

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MusiMasta
Posted on 10-01-16 04:48 PM Link | #78157
Potatoes actually have enough calories for humans to survive on by itself, which is how some of the ancient peoples of the Andean civilization survived. Though, growing them on Mars? Good luck. It just sucks how only the wealthy can live on, just because of their money. Everyone should be given an equal opportunity, but that will never happen, as some people just want to assert themselves over others. And there is the saying that you can work hard to go from poor to rich, but now? With all the money concentrated in the hands of a few, they basically control the flow of the money and it is almost impossible to do this. Plus the envy when there's a rich kid and they're super lazy and all but they still live a comfortable life.

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Marionumber1
Posted on 10-01-16 04:52 PM Link | #78158
Colonizing Mars is not that implausible, and companies like SpaceX are already working on it. One interesting article describes the progress and the plan, though it is quite optimistic. The barrier, in my view, is not being able to get there, but who is able to get there.

I don't buy into defeatism, but the fact is that we are hurtling towards death if we don't come up with solutions. That's why I'm working nearly every day to expose and fight against corruption. My point is that the oligarchs must know their exploitative way of life is unsustainable, and have some escape planned. With the recent work on getting to Mars, and the fact that the trips will be prohibitively expensive for most people, that could very well be it.

StapleButter
Posted on 10-01-16 05:15 PM Link | #78159
There's pretty much that, yeah. That's why I was referring to Elysium.


As much as the idea of having a backup human civilization sounds nice, it shouldn't become "the escape hatch for the rich because Earth is fucked".

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StapleButter
Posted on 10-05-16 06:33 AM Link | #78237
A nice list of companies that exploit USA prison labor


Boycot 'em. Action can exist without being a big, fiery revolution. But you'll need to be many for it to be effective. Spread the word.

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MusiMasta
Posted on 10-05-16 07:42 PM Link | #78255
But that is umm...literally every major company in existence. I know this is to defend against capitalism, but what would anyone do with them gone? Revert to hunting and gathering?

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StapleButter
Posted on 10-05-16 07:57 PM Link | #78258
Find companies not in the list, I guess.

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StapleButter
Posted on 10-08-16 01:02 PM Link | #78353
https://itsgoingdown.org/lucasville-oh-prison-beautified/


What does it mean to be untouchable? It implies a physical barrier between someone with the capability to touch and that to be touched, or it carries implications of sacredness, where that barrier is instead social and cultural. In Ohio, as well as the rest of this world, the toxic touch of the structures and machinations of the criminal so-called-justice system make their impact felt nearly every day. Its fingerprint omnipresent yet invisible.

This relationship of differential power is fast sinking, and the projected sacredness of its hallowed halls is coming to an end. The structures of Capital are facing a terminal crisis, but its managers (democratically elected as well as those elected by the free market) are determined to allow it to bring everything that they can along for the ride. We are staring ecological collapse in the face, already feeling its affects, but so many are convinced that there is nothing we can do.

Another world is not only possible, it is immediately necessary for the continuation of overwhelming numbers of complex lifeforms on our planet. We can no longer wait. We must laugh in the face of mechanisms of control and rob them of their dignity to pretend they are something they are not. We must treat them as canvases upon which we will write the forms of the future.

Be careful. Be smart. Be uncontainable.

See you on the other side, comrades.


I couldn't have said it better.


Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the "Earth is doomed" crap is more propaganda.

You see, when studies popped up pointing at global warming and linking it to the massive use of fossil fuel, the related industries countered it by producing counter-studies and making people doubt.

This shit is running to its end as there is more and more evidence of global warming. Even a random citizen like me can say they have observed climate change through their life.

So, what does the capitalist system do? Produce new propaganda. Convince people that the effects of global warming are permanent or bad enough that there's no point trying anymore. There's no hope. Accept Earth's destruction. Embrace it. And for us industries, it's a perfect excuse to continue in our way of death and destruction.

Bullshit. Give the system a big middle finger.

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Marionumber1
Posted on 10-08-16 03:11 PM Link | #78355
Posted by StapleButter
Anyway, I'm pretty sure that the "Earth is doomed" crap is more propaganda.

You see, when studies popped up pointing at global warming and linking it to the massive use of fossil fuel, the related industries countered it by producing counter-studies and making people doubt.

This shit is running to its end as there is more and more evidence of global warming. Even a random citizen like me can say they have observed climate change through their life.

So, what does the capitalist system do? Produce new propaganda. Convince people that the effects of global warming are permanent or bad enough that there's no point trying anymore. There's no hope. Accept Earth's destruction. Embrace it. And for us industries, it's a perfect excuse to continue in our way of death and destruction.

Bullshit. Give the system a big middle finger.


I'm curious what makes you think it's propaganda. The science clearly says that unless we eliminate carbon emissions in the very near future, Earth is going to be uninhabitable. Most of the media isn't even reporting on this fact.

I do agree that if people are forced to acknowledge climate change, the corporate state would want convince people that they're hopeless to stop it. But even better for them is not acknowledging climate change at all. As long as we never even entertain the thought that our current path is unsustainable, there's no impetus to stop it.

StapleButter
Posted on 10-08-16 03:15 PM Link | #78356
"The science clearly says that unless we eliminate carbon emissions in the very near future, Earth is going to be uninhabitable."

As dire as it sounds, there's still hope. As opposed to outright saying "we fucked it up, we're done". There are sources that say "global warming is only going to get worse because soandso".

Of course it's better for the capitalist system to reject global warming, but this kind of propaganda is less efficient.

Also, global warming would be the ideal pretext for them to sell more shit like air conditioners. :P

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Marionumber1
Posted on 10-08-16 04:08 PM Link | #78357
Posted by StapleButter
"The science clearly says that unless we eliminate carbon emissions in the very near future, Earth is going to be uninhabitable."

As dire as it sounds, there's still hope. As opposed to outright saying "we fucked it up, we're done". There are sources that say "global warming is only going to get worse because soandso".

Of course it's better for the capitalist system to reject global warming, but this kind of propaganda is less efficient.


Well, people need a bit of fear to motivate them to act. Right now, they're blissfully unaware of how dire our situation is. That's not going to create change. People need to know the truth, including the window of hope that exists.

Also, global warming would be the ideal pretext for them to sell more shit like air conditioners. :P


The corporations can do that without people making the connection to climate change. They'll just notice that it's hotter and buy an AC.

StapleButter
Posted on 10-08-16 09:08 PM Link | #78364
Change needs to be immediate, and it's not going to happen within the current system. We need big change. Overthrowing the fucking system. As ambitious or utopic as it may sound.



The DAPL protesters are still going. But I think that's not enough. The monster is progressing, and they're basically latching onto its feet to slow it down. Stopping the monster needs more effort. DAPL construction will go on unless big actions take place. ('big' doesn't mean 'make it a war zone', more like 'significantly weaken the monster by hitting where it hurts')

It's like for a lot of other things. I'm not in favor of violence, but at this point, there's not much else to do. Peaceful protests are either ignored or repressed with violence. Protesters get smacked by the law. Legal actions against the capitalist monster are also pointless, at best those companies will be given fines that are as ridiculous as fining someone $0.03 for murder.

Capitalism has spread its tentacles into everything. The only way out is revolution.

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Gipt
Posted on 10-08-16 11:18 PM Link | #78382
Do you think either candidate would attempt to change this?

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MusiMasta
Posted on 10-09-16 02:44 AM Link | #78395
I personally do not think any candidate would ever support the removal of capitalism. They're supported by companies that sponsor them, and privately owned companies run today's capitalism system. They would never get rid of their sponsors, because all candidates want money (I mean, people in general too, let's be honest).

They're also at the top of the hierarchy so they could care less about environmental destruction. They'll always be safe and protected by the state.

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Marionumber1
Posted on 10-09-16 02:52 AM Link | #78399
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Do you think either candidate would attempt to change this?


First of all, the word "either" is misleading, since there aren't just Hillary and Trump. We also have Jill Stein, the Green Party candidate, and Gary Johnson, the Libertarian Party candidate. While Jill and Gary are certain not to win, they still deserve to be talked about.

Gary Johnson, who believes in unbridled capitalism, would certainly not try to change this. Hillary and Trump are both rich elites, with Hillary having a long record of serving the corporate state. It's not in their interests to change the capitalist system either. Jill isn't for abolishing capitalism, but her platform is all about reigning in its disastrous impacts: eliminating wealthy/corporate influence over the government, regulating businesses, fixing climate change, and ending imperialist and industrialist wars.

Gipt
Posted on 10-09-16 01:00 PM (rev. 2 of 10-09-16 01:30 PM) Link | #78420
Sorry my pronouns triggered you (JOKE)

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