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PaperplateismGuy
Posted on 12-09-16 08:50 PM Link | #80245
So, I apologise for causing such commotion and I would like to clarify and retract a bit on my earlier statements especially for those on the protesters.

So, first off. I do not wish death upon any human being, no matter what they’ve done. I go back on my statement about “they deserved what they got”. I do not want these people dead. I don’t want them to get hypothermia or to have their arms blown off. That’s just insane and I wish I had made that clear earlier. If the police had used more humane tactics to drive them away, then I would be okay with that, but they went a few steps too far. It is an unfortunate event. I wish the police had done a better job and that they would negotiate more with the water protectors.

After reading my previous posts a few times, I noticed quite a few errors on my part. Part of the reason I started to post here in this thread is to improve my typing, reading, and researching skills because I have been notoriously bad at it in the past. As well as having a bit of fun doing it too. I really appreciate all the responses I have gotten and I respect every single one of the differing viewpoints.

As for my other statements, it’s been a while since I thought about global warming and that would have been evident in my posts. Hopefully they haven’t been so offensive. I respect human life and the fact I believe some of this stuff does not make me someone who doesn’t respect it.

I’m not quite sure where to go from here, but I will try to keep politics to a minimum and I’ll clarify to make sure this misunderstanding does not happen again. I think its best that I will post in a more general sense and less about politics. If you want to keep this discussion going, I don’t mind either. If I insulted anyone, I did not mean to and I’m sorry about that.


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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 12-10-16 03:01 PM Link | #80254
I'm hoping you'll change your mind on global warming. Remember, it's supported by myriads of data from multiple fields and makes predictions, all consistent with current measurements on various means; e.g. tree ring measurements, oceanic CO2 concentration -> ocean acidification, that the sun is actually at a solar minimum and is going the OPPOSITE direction compared to global averages, all recent years broke global average heat records, and many more. It is inevitable and most effects are negative.

Doth quote Wikipedia: Since 2007, [...] no scientific body of national or international scientists reject the findings of human-induced effects on climate change.

Arisotura
Posted on 12-10-16 03:56 PM (rev. 2 of 12-10-16 03:57 PM) Link | #80260
As I told you, the most important question wouldn't be "what's the most humane way to remove the protesters?" but "is it a sound idea to extract more oil within the current context?". There are alternate, cleaner energies available. Sticking to the aspect of removing the protesters skips that entirely, as it goes from the base principle that the protesters are in the wrong.

Supposing we would need more energy in the future anyway, why would it be? From what I observe, we already have more than enough technology to live comfortably. Progress is also made towards making devices more energy-efficient.


Which reminds me of that post of yours. You said that capitalism is how we get computers, phones, etc. That's a good point.

Capitalism made for a tremendous amount of progress, that can't be denied. But are we continuing the trend? What's the progress today, smart socks that tweet the temperature of your feet?

Maybe I'm being pessimistic there.

But if you look back 50 years ago, you had appliance that was built to last and to be repairable. The pace of technological progress ensured people would be buying new appliance and allowed the system to sustain itself.

Flash forward to now. Most appliance you find are full of proprietary, model-specific parts, or outright black boxes. They last a ridiculous amount of time compared to before. And that's by design. Planned obsolescence. Maybe without it, people would just have no incentive to get new appliance. Maybe they just wanted to make more money. I don't know, but regardless, planned obsolescence strikes me as very wrong. It goes completely against one of the pillars of ecology, using resources wisely and not wasting them.

So yeah, we get cheap computers and smartphones... because we were born on the right side. The world is basically split in two sides, where one side is exploited and pillaged so that the other side can keep posting selfies on Instagram with the latest iPhone.

Why do you think migrants are trying so hard to enter our countries? Why do you think we're putting so much effort into kicking them out?


Also, technology doesn't have to be tied to capitalism. We know how to build fancy devices, and that's what's important. There can be more ethical production methods than what we have now. And if that means shit will be more expensive... so be it.

I'm not pretending to have all the answers, but the world doesn't have to be shitty.

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MK7tester
Posted on 12-10-16 04:45 PM Link | #80265
Posted by Marionumber1
To be fair, whether you value human life goes beyond a political ideology. However, the fact that this came about as part of a political discussion does look bad.


Sorry that was a misuse of the term. I couldn't think of a better word at that moment.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 12-11-16 06:47 PM (rev. 3 of 12-11-16 07:02 PM) Link | #80276
Hahaha, anti-establishment my ass.

Rex Tillerson, CEO of Exxon Mobile, has ties with Putin, to head Secretary of State.

Scott Pruitt, figure of the fossil fuel industry, a global warming denier, to head the EPA.

Andy Putzer, fast food executive opposed to raising the minimum wage and workplace regulations, as Secretary of Labor.

Jim O’Neill, a libertarian idiot with no medical background compared to previous leaders of the FDA, possibly to head the FDA

Gary Cohn (autoplay), a Goldman Sachs executive possibly to head National Economic Council. (to be fair, Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama also really love Goldman Sachs).

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-11-16 06:49 PM Link | #80278
I agree with you, but:

Posted by LeftyGreenMario
has ties with Putin


seems too much like red-baiting to me.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 12-11-16 06:50 PM Link | #80280
Hmm, yeah, I'm not too informed on this issue aside from Russia's relationship with the U.S.. What's going on there?

Baby Luigi
Posted on 12-11-16 07:35 PM Link | #80282
Don't you love when a country is run by people who have literally no idea what the hell they are doing? Donald Trump isn't """"""""""'anti-establishment""""""""""' as the Trump supporters think he is, he's nominating people who are literally ICONS of the establishment to run the country.

Arisotura
Posted on 12-11-16 07:43 PM Link | #80285
elections are nothing but a lame game of "guess what most people want to hear from a candidate, and say exactly that"

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Baby Luigi
Posted on 12-11-16 07:55 PM Link | #80289
Yeah, it's pretty much "let's just use a bunch of colorful, flowery style, that'll win daft morons who don't think things through with the substance of the rhetoric before deciding a candidate"

which is most of our country is composed of. people who eat emotionally charged rhetoric up.

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-11-16 08:00 PM (rev. 2 of 12-11-16 08:04 PM) Link | #80290
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
Hmm, yeah, I'm not too informed on this issue aside from Russia's relationship with the U.S.. What's going on there?


Russia is being unfairly demonized by the establishment media. They're painted as supporters of brutal dictators and slaughterers of civilians. It is, of course, comically hypocritical for the US to level that claim against Russia. We've historically backed right-wing dictators in Latin America to topple left-wing democratic governments, and currently support the Gulf monarchies, some of the biggest human rights violators in the world. We've also killed countless numbers of civilians through wars and drone attacks.

But the specific narratives about Syria and Ukraine also invert the true blame.

Assad was painted as a brutal dictator attacking demonstrators for protesting his rule. The US and its allies were said to be heroically supporting moderate rebels to oust him, while Russia was said to be enabling and defending his assault on the Syrian people. In reality:

* We've wanted to overthrow Syria's government since the mid 2000s. To that end, we promoted Sunni extremists to attack his government.

* The war began in 2011 with the supposedly-peaceful protesters engaging in violence against government forces. Assad isn't perfect, but he didn't instigate the fighting.

* "Moderate rebels" are anything but. US intelligence knew that Sunni extremists were the main rebel forces, supported them nonetheless, and even predicted that the fighting in Syria would lead to an Islamic state forming. Indeed, the al-Nusra front (an offshoot of al-Qaeda) is one of the major rebel groups, and ISIS has gained a foothold in the region due to the fighting, even getting its hands on US weapons.

* The 2013 Ghouta attack, blamed on Assad, was in all likelihood actually done by the rebels. There's evidence of sarin gas being imported by the rebels through Turkey.

So Russia, in backing Assad's fight against the rebels, is actually fighting terrorism. The US is backing terrorism in order to oust Assad and replace him with a government sympathetic to corporate imperial interests. In fact, the US recently put a ceasefire in jeopardy by "accidentally" targeting Syrian government forces. And while Russia was asked to get involved as an ally of Assad, nothing gives the US the right to topple a sovereign government.

In Ukraine, there was all the furor over Russia's military action in Crimea. But the initial overthrow of the Ukrainian government was an illegitimate, US-backed coup. It ultimately culminated in a US puppet neo-Nazi government being installed. Now that regime is engaging in open hostility against Russian forces.

And there's also the persistent lie that Russia has been interfering in the US election to get Donald Trump in office. Absolutely no proof of this has been provided; instead, the intelligence community has likely been trying to frame Russia.

So despite the mainstream narrative of Russia as an aggressor, and the US as defenders of humanitarianism, the real story is closer to the opposite. Russia isn't altruistic, but they stand opposed to our imperialistic conquest of foreign nations, and our reprehensible support for terrorists and right-wing extremists to achieve our ends. The demonization of Russia is meant to turn the public against a major roadblock to the expansion of the US empire.

We talked about "fake news" yesterday. But when the mainstream media repeatedly lies about foreign policy to protect establishment interests, it's time to start considering them a collection of fake news outlets.

SGC
Posted on 12-12-16 02:52 AM Link | #80301
I think your post very nicely explains what the US has really been up to, I've been talking about how the main stream media blames Russia for a lot of things, and makes them look bad for a few months now. The USA Government is one big group of corrupt slime balls, and quite honestly you would have to be blind not to see that. The US always seems to set it's self up as the big brother figure of all the other counties, and anyone who doesn't agree with them, or do what they say, either get's attacked, or their leader vanishes.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 12-12-16 04:44 PM Link | #80302
Posted by StapleButter
elections are nothing but a lame game of "guess what most people want to hear from a candidate, and say exactly that"

And a constant stream of money runs the entire thing.

P.S. I think alternate media is more full of shit than mainstream media since they've got essentially nothing to lose and everything to gain.

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-12-16 04:59 PM Link | #80304
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
P.S. I think alternate media is more full of shit than mainstream media since they've got essentially nothing to lose and everything to gain.


What has the mainstream media lost by spreading its persistent lies? People still trust it after they got us into a devastating (for both the US and other countries) war based on false evidence. And there are plenty of alternative media sources, mainly respectable progressive outlets, that are concerned with getting the facts right.

Arisotura
Posted on 12-12-16 07:57 PM Link | #80306
Mainstream media has the 'officialness' and visibility. They can spread lies and most people will take them seriously.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 12-12-16 10:34 PM Link | #80310
I trust alternate media even less because mainstream media always has someone to answer to. Alternate media is really Russian roulette, you get quality and you get complete crap, and some venues are good at disguising crap.

Mainstream media manipulates, particularly Fox News, but it garners criticism from pretty much everyone including experts. It's hard for me to swallow that all the professionals in that field all work together to lie. Alternative media probably has some good stuff, but it's swamped by the jungle.

But again, mainstream media is owned by a few and they seem to be pro-establishment and muddle the facts frequently, so finding something neutral and honest is pretty hard nowadays.

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-12-16 11:06 PM Link | #80312
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
Mainstream media manipulates, particularly Fox News, but it garners criticism from pretty much everyone including experts. It's hard for me to swallow that all the professionals in that field all work together to lie.


As hard as it may be to swallow, I've given several examples of them doing just that. And Wikileaks emails from the DNC and Clinton campaign also reveal how they collude with political operatives for that purpose.

Yami
Posted on 12-13-16 12:58 AM Link | #80314
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
P.S. I think alternate media is more full of shit than mainstream media since they've got essentially nothing to lose and everything to gain.

In case you don't know, the Mainstream Media to often accuses Russia and China of everything, without any evidence.
Alternative Media, on the other hand, very often back up their claims either by linking to other trustful sites, or showing actual footage (on TV or on YouTube, depending on where they provide their news).

It's getting even worse when it comes to Aleppo (Syria), Mainsteam Media only report about people suffering in the eastern part of the city, not even mentioning the so-called 'Rebels' terrorise them, but instead, they claim that Russia and Assad 'terrorise' them.

Meanwhile, the 'Rebels' shell hospitals, humans, schools, etc. in the western part of the city, but the Mainstream Media doesn't give a shit, just because of the fact that 'Rebels' are doing all of this, and because it's being controlled by the Syrian government everyone recognises.

Hiccup
Posted on 12-13-16 03:16 AM (rev. 2 of 12-13-16 03:17 AM) Link | #80315
This whole thing about mainstream vs alternative media is stupid. The reliability of a news organization isn't directly proportional to its popularity. I could create a blog with one view/hit that said the moon is fake - that isn't instantly accurate because of its low readership.

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-13-16 06:50 AM Link | #80316
Posted by Hiccup
This whole thing about mainstream vs alternative media is stupid. The reliability of a news organization isn't directly proportional to its popularity. I could create a blog with one view/hit that said the moon is fake - that isn't instantly accurate because of its low readership.


No one's saying that alternative media is automatically better than the mainstream media. But there are many alternative media sources that are more truthful.
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