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 Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2301/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
I was talking with somebody last night, about how SMG hacking isn't known at all. Nobody really cares about it. If there isn't a SMG hacking scene, SMG2.5's popularity will decrease.
But this is not about 2.5. This is for SMG hacking in general. So, I'm pretty sure some people are asking, "what can I do about it?" This might not sound correct, but there are some possible ways to help out the community. 1) We need some videos, some videos that can make interest spread up. For example, like a video for our discoveries about things that we've found. Like, gravity. And, the Boos obj_args. We need to put up some good concepts and promote Whitehole and Kuribo. Those videos will have to be on their own custom channel, run by Me, StarLight, NWP, and others. We don't need to beg to Glem to upload a simple video to the 2.5 channel, when we can do it ourselves. 2) Actual real completed levels, that the public can enjoy. WHy show a hack, when an actual person can PLAY it for themselves? We can show off our levels and get them popular. And once again, show them Kuribo and Whitehole, and show them how they can make their own. 3) This one is mostly shown at me. I need to get Whitehole more stable with less bugs. Which makes it way easier for it to edit. Another is at the tools. We must try to combine these into at least 1 editor (It does NOT have to be in Whitehole, just like Anthe's GalaxyTools). blank, if you actually see this, I have a favor. I would like it if a GUI for obj2bdl is made to make model importing even EASIER. MN1's importer makes it way more easier, but people want a GUI, not a little python script. It also, may boost the process, allowing easier model importing. 4) An organized SMG Hacking Section on this board. If you go into the General SMG Hacking section, there are tutorials everywhere, and it's all just confusing. I think I have a solution to organize it. General SMG Hacking Sub-boards: Levels, Help/Questions, ASM Hacking The levels board will let people show off their levels, or WIP ones, so it isn't crammed all over the place and a huge mess. Help/Questions will allow users to ask specific questions about SMG hacking, or any help they need with hacking the game. ASM hacking doesn't have to be explained, the board will stay where it is. This isn't something that HAS to be in here to boost the community, it would just help organization. Also, I don't care if the current community doesn't exist. The whole purpose of this entire thread is to try to see if the actual community can be restored. This is an attempt at doing so. If anybody has any other suggestions, please post it here. We HAVE to restore this community, and soon as possible. ~MrRean ____________________ a |
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 Magikoopa I'm back Level: 104 
Posts: 2711/3145 EXP: 11581611 Next: 280515 Since: 07-07-12 From: Dolphic Island Last post: 2600 days ago Last view: 2598 days ago |
Nice thread but most of it's already been said and gilmaster's state of galaxy was basically the same idea.
I have no ideas besides. Make some levels. Get them out there. Have people like them and want to make their own. I'm open to making any inspirational levels but I usually give up because there's nothing pushing me to do so. |
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2302/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
But uhh...I did not see any action done after that thread was made. ____________________ a |
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 Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163 
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2303/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
^ Yeeaahhh
Stuff like that isn't a way to start. Nor to continue. I don't mean to sound rude about it or anything, it's just that I understand there isn't a hacking scene, this is a way to START IT. And making jokes and all isn't going to get us anywhere. ____________________ a |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163
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Posted by Luigi That, too. People are going to read this, go 'oh yeah I agree', and wait for someone else to actually do it... resulting in, uh, noone doing it. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
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Magikoopa I'm back Level: 104
Posts: 2712/3145 EXP: 11581611 Next: 280515 Since: 07-07-12 From: Dolphic Island Last post: 2600 days ago Last view: 2598 days ago |
Well I don't blame him because he's probably worked a ton on whitehole only to see people were more excited about the release of Anarchy. |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163
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Posted by Luigi Prove me that there has been a scene, then? By 'scene' I don't mean those idiots who post 'wow amazing where do i dl diz' on youtube. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
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Magikoopa I'm back Level: 104
Posts: 2713/3145 EXP: 11581611 Next: 280515 Since: 07-07-12 From: Dolphic Island Last post: 2600 days ago Last view: 2598 days ago |
Posted by Mega-Mario The 'scene' is MrRean and Myself, which basically means yeah, there's no scene. |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163
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Posted by Silver That, too. Fuck you mibts. Even though he isn't the only one, he's the worst one. "WHITEHOLE SUX ANARCHY ALL THE WAY :DDDDDDD oh sorry if I'm badmouthing Whitehole I didn't mean to" Kindly go die in a fire mibts, you'll make the world a better place. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2304/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
Well there has to be a scene for people to become interested, which is why this thread was made. ____________________ a |
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Magikoopa I'm back Level: 104
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The only fucking people who make levels though is MrRean and I. |
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2305/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
....which should be expanded. What do you think this thread was made for..? ____________________ a |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163
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Where do you see interest, outside of SMG2.5?
And uh, considering SMG2.5 is mostly full of sweet colourful dreams, well... See that thread at GSCentral? PW went there to post about Anarchy back then. See the interest it got. Compare with the interest it caused when I posted Whitehole. The SMG games have lost in popularity over that time. It's, iirc, about 2 or 3 years between the two. There's even a thread at GBAtemp. It's buried under a ton of other threads because it barely got a couple replies. Hell, even the SM64DS thread got more interest. Much more, in fact. And I thought noone cared about SM64DS, back then. You figure what's my opinion about SMG. It even reflects on this very board. Activity has decreased. We'd get about 100 posts per day before. tl;dr there is no chance. Get out of your colourful dream. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
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Magikoopa I'm back Level: 104
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To get more attention to people outside the forums that have talent. ._. |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163
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It should also be noted that the entrance barrier to SMG hacking is high.
You have the option of making new levels by using existing elements, but even that is tricky to get right. See NSMB games. Even kids can get the editor and have fun with it. 3D games, on the other hand... how would kids ever figure shit out? See how many interest SM64 gets. Not that much. And SM64 has a lower entrance barrier. Models are all simple, so reaching Nintendo quality is easy. But it's still a 3D game. SMG on the other hand, has much higher quality models. You need to be a professional modeler, or be using expensive software, or both, to reach Nintendo quality. And if you don't reach it, your shit looks dull. Most of the people who would have the skill to make such models, are already hired by video game studios. Getting paid for that work. Between getting paid to work on an actual project, and wasting your time with a bunch of kids that spend their time derping around in IRC and dreaming about a project that never gets done, the choice is obvious. See when I posted about SMG2.5 on those 3D modelling forums. The only replies I got are, uh, moderation. Not a single fucking person cared. That should tell you something. If it doesn't, well uh... nothing will. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2306/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
Well we have 2 choices then.
1) Try this 2) Give up. Right now, I'm hinting at 2. Very close to it. Even though there are some ways to help it, it just won't last long. ____________________ a |
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That's the point. Why use your own models when we have countless objects to mix and match. You could at least try to show that it's possible to make a level without all that nonsense. That's what everybody thinks now because of that stupid trailer. OMG IT'S TOO DIFFICULT AND I'M EXPECTED TO MAKE MODELS FOR IT TO BE GOOD AND PEOPLE TO LIKE IT. Go back to the OLD days when the only thing we had WAS in-game models.
Try to bring back icespike and the others if you can contact them, get martboo back in it by getting his interest back. There's so much you can do but you're doing it the WRONG WAY. I've been saying this for months now but nobody listens. TRY SOMETHING NEW BECAUSE THIS ISN'T WORKING. I've been busy for the last few days working with others to make importing models even easier, so don't tell me I'm not doing anything. Like I've been saying, gather up our old levels and make a demo/trailer, so people stop thinking that nonsense, because with our lonely trailer we're just destroying everything. THE WORK IS DONE FOR YOU, YOU JUST NEED TO PUT IT ALL TOGETHER. ____________________ "I hate playing musical chats" ~ Quote of the month |
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Fire Mario DROP TABLE users; Level: 123 Posts: 2307/4661 EXP: 20896101 Next: 335165 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 1351 days ago Last view: 364 days ago |
True.
But right now, I think it's the best idea to just drop SMG2.5 right now, and work on the community a bit and get a new SMALLER project started, if it succeeds. (Which is so fucking unlikely.) ____________________ a |
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