Posted by LeftyGreenMario

Spacey
Was the reason "]Shit's going down in USA (and everywhere else too)" thread went to the trash. It might've started with DoubleYoshiExploshi's question of "if you complain about it why don't you do anything about it" which is in my opinion, a form of tu quoque fallacy, which is a faulty way to discredit an opponent's argument. Don't try it. Also, fyi, how you complain "it's annoying after a while" is not a legit complaint and can come off as concern trolling and tone trolling to other users. Now, this isn't DoubleYoshiExploshi's problem since he stopped but Spacey decided to do the same thing, but looks even more like actual concern trolling. Spacey engaged in extremely dishonest and disingenuous methods of arguing. It's dishonest because it's an ad homenium tu quoque as he accuses StapleButter of not embracing what he's doing and only using the suffering to embrace his views. It's disingenuous because discussing about it and acting on it are not mutually exclusive things and IMO StapleButter is likely powerless or financially strapped himself to give aid (remember he said he doesn't know if the money he gives will actually go to those services).

The act of saying "oh you're talking about economic divide that the storm clearly illustrated and making it a criticism of capitalism means you're only using it for selfish reasons" or "stop making it political" is definitely dishonest concern trolling. It's the same tactic climate change denier Scott Pruitt uses to discredit global warming by saying people are "offending Floridians" by discussing anthropomorphic climate change.

I don't think making crappy arguments is a basis for getting banned, but the Spacey decides to create multiple socks to give the appearance of more of a consensus, which again, is extremely dishonest. My suspicions were there, but Spacey destroyed his last shred of credibility by reregging or using meatpuppets just to make a point.

I'd criticize StapleButter on his fixation of capitalism but not in the same manner as Spacey has done. Arisotura has flaws like anyone else, but don't be a dishonest troll about it.