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NintendoFan |
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Normal user Level: 42 Posts: 293/403 EXP: 483431 Next: 37931 Since: 07-15-14 Last post: 2304 days ago Last view: 2298 days ago |
Well, it's not like saying both words the same way makes it any better. In fact, I think "finite" pronounced that way sounds worse.
And, well, you could pronounce "archive" a different way if it bothers you that much. ____________________ A nobody. |
cros107 |
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Member Actually not active Level: 24 Posts: 53/120 EXP: 71106 Next: 7019 Since: 04-20-16 From: Melbourne, Australia Last post: 2335 days ago Last view: 1884 days ago |
I don't actually understand why everything is so stupid though. Whose fucked up idea was it to use 2 random letters in place of an ALREADY ESTABLISHED LETTER, eg. phone.
I don't understand how it would even cross your mind to spell it like that. ____________________ No, not doing SM64DS hacking, just here for the waffles. |
Arisotura |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163 Posts: 6665/9019 EXP: 56253617 Next: 234027 Since: 07-03-12 From: in a box Last post: 12 days ago Last view: 3 hours ago |
this is absolutely phun.
also, dunno about English and other languages, but French has a lot of exceptions and shit that pretty much only exist to make it sound nicer. I find it interesting that language aesthetics were valued over simplicity. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
PixelDimension |
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Normal user Level: 22 Posts: 86/95 EXP: 55560 Next: 2790 Since: 06-15-14 Last post: 2613 days ago Last view: 2485 days ago |
Posted by cros107 "ph" is Greek in origin. |
LeftyGreenMario |
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Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 82 Posts: 696/2062 EXP: 5096570 Next: 112657 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 416 days ago Last view: 415 days ago |
why do people use a euphemism for "sex" for every humping thing
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cros107 |
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Member Actually not active Level: 24 Posts: 54/120 EXP: 71106 Next: 7019 Since: 04-20-16 From: Melbourne, Australia Last post: 2335 days ago Last view: 1884 days ago |
Posted by PixelDimension The "F" sound in Greek is φ. Dunno where you got that info from. ____________________ No, not doing SM64DS hacking, just here for the waffles. |
PixelDimension |
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Normal user Level: 22 Posts: 87/95 EXP: 55560 Next: 2790 Since: 06-15-14 Last post: 2613 days ago Last view: 2485 days ago |
Posted by cros107 Phillip, Pharaoh, Physics, and many other words are all Greek in origin, and they all contained the Greek letter φ. In Classical Greek this was pronounced as an aspirated [pʰ], which the Romans wrote as ph in Latin when they borrowed words from Greek. (This is also how they used the letter y and why they called it "i graeca" - literally "greek i".) Later the pronunciation became "f" and this spelling and pronunciation passed into French and then into English. |
Yoshimaster96 |
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Member Normal user Level: 39 Posts: 310/345 EXP: 376916 Next: 27855 Since: 11-03-14 Last post: 1946 days ago Last view: 888 days ago |
I actually started to make my own language once, but never really got far... |
MusiMasta |
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Buster Beetle Vaporeon Level: 43 Posts: 369/450 EXP: 558550 Next: 6496 Since: 12-09-14 Last post: 2448 days ago Last view: 2431 days ago |
Me too, making pretend languages is fun. Like when I was kid I made my own language with squeaks and ahs for my stuffed animals. ____________________ MusiMasta - YouTube Channel Currently 374 subs! Help support me by subscribing! Thanks! Featured Videos: I PLAY POKEMON GO EVERYDAY IN 300,000 NOTES Pokémon Theme Song 260K Notes Remix |
Yami |
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(ーωー。) Level: 60 Posts: 655/959 EXP: 1738280 Next: 34498 Since: 12-07-14 From: Japan Last post: 2479 days ago Last view: 2477 days ago |
Also, there are many endangered languages on this planet also.
Like Ainu, for example, a Japanese minority language, entirely written in Katakana. Although it's quite interesting to see it in its written form, almost nobody speaks it anymore. More on it: Oh, it apparently had only 10 speakers left, back in 2007, it's really sad... |
MusiMasta |
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Buster Beetle Vaporeon Level: 43 Posts: 370/450 EXP: 558550 Next: 6496 Since: 12-09-14 Last post: 2448 days ago Last view: 2431 days ago |
Yeah there are a lot of those endangered languages, 1 of them die every !4 days. Mostly it's because the people that speak it die out and their children aren't educated on the language as it won't have too much impact on their economic future. They do preserve culture and stuff, but once again, with the race for money, everything else is lost. ____________________ MusiMasta - YouTube Channel Currently 374 subs! Help support me by subscribing! Thanks! Featured Videos: I PLAY POKEMON GO EVERYDAY IN 300,000 NOTES Pokémon Theme Song 260K Notes Remix |
Arisotura |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163 Posts: 6688/9019 EXP: 56253617 Next: 234027 Since: 07-03-12 From: in a box Last post: 12 days ago Last view: 3 hours ago |
it's not just that. speaking a language spoken by a larger community gives you more possibilities. and in turn, you'll want your children to learn that language so they have more chances of success. and so on. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
Super-toad 65 |
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everyone is an idiot except you. you are THE SPECIAL ONE. you win the prize: the LOLDERP BAN -.- Level: 17 Posts: 19/55 EXP: 21874 Next: 2869 Since: 06-09-16 From: Italy Last post: 2742 days ago Last view: 2710 days ago |
ugh.
i study english and french at school. English is probably my best subject, but french -.- it't annoying, difficult and full of stuff. "oh wait it's similar to italian"... and then i discovered it's difficult. As i know, spanish is better, but i had no choice ____________________ Layout by Sherry the Feather (even if here is broken -.-) My youtube channel |
Arisotura |
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 163 Posts: 6689/9019 EXP: 56253617 Next: 234027 Since: 07-03-12 From: in a box Last post: 12 days ago Last view: 3 hours ago |
French is my native language so it seems natural to me, but I agree, it must be difficult to master. Those billion tenses, those billion exceptions that only exist to make it sound nicer...
I had Spanish class for a while and was never too good. Well, I had no real incentive to learn the language either, I put my energy into more important classes (or in reality, into slacking off). The way French grammar is taught at school is also, ugh, terrible. They should teach it progressively, not overcomplicate it with fancy terms, and put an emphasis on practicing so it becomes natural. Instead, it's a huge mess that makes kids associate proper grammar/spelling with "constant headache". Hence the sadly common phrase "this is not school, I can write however I want". This phrase shouldn't be a thing. Proper grammar/spelling shouldn't be associated to school pressure. ____________________ NSMBHD - Kafuka - Jul melonDS the most fruity DS emulator there is zafkflzdasd |
Super-toad 65 |
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everyone is an idiot except you. you are THE SPECIAL ONE. you win the prize: the LOLDERP BAN -.- Level: 17 Posts: 21/55 EXP: 21874 Next: 2869 Since: 06-09-16 From: Italy Last post: 2742 days ago Last view: 2710 days ago |
Also, pronunciation and writing are sightly different in french (but something in english too), for example, a word ending with "e", that letter is completely ignored.
According to italian pronunciation, it's all equal, and i don't understand why people speak it that hard. But we still have stuff like all verbal forms different, while on most of the english verbs there is a unique form except for 3rd person. ____________________ Layout by Sherry the Feather (even if here is broken -.-) My youtube channel |
PixelDimension |
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Normal user Level: 22 Posts: 91/95 EXP: 55560 Next: 2790 Since: 06-15-14 Last post: 2613 days ago Last view: 2485 days ago |
The reason English is problematic is that the written form of the language is over 500 years old - very outdated.
Causing things like these 6 words to not even be close to rhyming: cough ("coff") rough ("ruff") though ("tho") through ("thru") ought ("ot") borough ("buhro") Or "debt" sounding like "det" or "island" sounding like "iland" or the horror that is "colonel" sounding like "krnl" (English speakers, at least where I live, have a habit of dropping vowels) Here's why this happens: The word "laugh" is pronounced "laff". Back when the spelling system for English was created, it was pronounced more like "logkh", so that spelling made sense. Over time, the pronunciation shifted (which happens in any language), but I guess people were very stubborn at that time because the spelling didn't, leaving us with our nonsensical spellings. Posted by Super-toad 65 English verb forms in the PRESENT TENSE (Present tense verbs are one of the only consistent things in the English language. The only irregular present-tense verb I can think of is "to be". 1st person singular - walk 1st person plural - walk 2nd person singular+plural (identical in English - no difference between singular and plural "you") - walk 3rd person singular - walks 3rd person plural - walk That "s" there is the last surviving piece of a once much more complicated verb system similar to that of German. You can still see other pieces of this in the pronouns - "he" is used if that person is the subject of a sentence, "him" if that person is the object, "his" for possessive, etc. Words ending with E: It is not pronounced, but usually changes the other vowel sound in the word (however, as with nearly everything in English, there are some exceptions) For example, the words mad and made - the e in "made" is not pronounced at all, but the a is pronounced differently in each. |
Super-toad 65 |
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everyone is an idiot except you. you are THE SPECIAL ONE. you win the prize: the LOLDERP BAN -.- Level: 17 Posts: 22/55 EXP: 21874 Next: 2869 Since: 06-09-16 From: Italy Last post: 2742 days ago Last view: 2710 days ago |
And even derp.
If i transport "laugh"'s pronunciation it sould be the seguent: Lof. And yes, wowels in english are a bit confusing -.- ____________________ Layout by Sherry the Feather (even if here is broken -.-) My youtube channel |
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Yoshimaster96 |
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Member Normal user Level: 39 Posts: 311/345 EXP: 376916 Next: 27855 Since: 11-03-14 Last post: 1946 days ago Last view: 888 days ago |
Some words in Japanese are exceptions as well (albeit far fewer):
A famous example is いい/よい (good, adj.), or the conjugations for the verb する (to do, used to make some nouns into the verbs associated with said nouns). However, there are VERY few exceptions, which memorization of these exceptions easy. Plus, the kanji in Japanese is MUCH more difficult than these exceptions, at least to me. |
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