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Agent000
Posted on 10-18-13 03:26 AM Link | #33968
On the IRC just now, we were talking about what to do with the story. All we've really figured out is that Bowser wants to produce something called "gravigen" (the name is self-explanatory) and that he goes to the edge of the universe. As of yet there has not been any real link or explanation for this or any other part of the story.

However, while derping around on the IRC I stumbled across this:

This.

tl;dr version: "Astronomers have found that whole clusters of galaxies are moving in convoy towards a single point in the sky. This unexpected motion appears to be separate from the expansion of the universe and the researchers even suggest that a force beyond the visible universe is the culprit. The discovery has been named Dark Flow."

Now, this is just a theory and has not been proven. The actual cause could be this Dark Flow idea, it could be the influence of another universe, or this might all be misinterpreted data. But this is Mario so nobody cares. The point is, this is something that makes sense that perfectly links crazy gravity with the edge of the universe.

So here's my basic idea: There is mysterious stuff called gravigen at the edge of the universe that causes the universe's expansion and eventual contraction. Bowser goes to the edge of the universe with the intent of harnessing gravigen to control the universe for his evil deeds. And...that's about it. A Mario game doesn't need a super-complex story, just a basic idea of what Bowser is trying to do. As usual, he kidnaps Peach with the hope that she'll rule the universe with him and as usual Mario must pursue the big tortoise and put a stop to his plans. As an added bonus, this gravigen idea gives a reason for any unnatural gravity encountered in the game.

I know that NWP is on board with this kind of idea (he's the one who told me to post this .___o). Everyone else, thoughts?

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SquidEmpress
Posted on 10-18-13 03:44 AM Link | #33970
My idea would be expand on the size on the Grand World Map in SMG2. Worlds 2, 3, and 4 are placed on the right side of rings.

Posted by MarioWiki
Even though there are only seven Worlds found on the Grand World Map, part of what appears to be three larger circles can faintly be seen extending through World 2, World 3, World 4, and World 5, perhaps suggesting that the Grand World Map is actually larger than it seems.


SMG2.5's plot and Grand World Map would reveal the rest of those rings.

This is not necessarily an extremely huge story. The purpose of the larger Grand World Map ties in with Bowser obtaining and using gravigen in the newly-dominated galaxies, which are the galaxies in Super Mario Galaxy 2.5.

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Agent000
Posted on 10-18-13 04:26 AM Link | #33972
Yeah but that doesn't explain why Bowser goes to the edge of the universe or anything about gravigen, and is kind of an underwhelming setup IMO. Also tying the world map directly into the story feels forced and would require some strange dialogue to explain.

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Tahcryon
Posted on 10-18-13 07:29 AM Link | #33975
Hm, seems like a good idea. I'm on board with it.

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gc
Posted on 10-18-13 09:36 AM Link | #33976
Hmm. That's pretty neat and convenient.

Instead of gravigen at the edge, how about it being inside every planet. Explains the gravity that shouldn't be there. Wait, Gravigen Generator is all about Bowser extracting it from planets, isn't it...?

Let's say he's trying to make a new universe but he's trashing the place in the extraction process.

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Luigi#1
Posted on 10-18-13 12:04 PM Link | #33980
Isn't it obvious! Peach gets kidnapped!

Seriously though, if you can explain why Bowser wants a new universe I'm on board.

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Agent000
Posted on 10-18-13 03:22 PM Link | #33982
Oh that's a good idea. He wants to go to the edge so that he can use graviton to create a new universe to rule (with Peach :P)

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MarioMaster720
Posted on 10-18-13 03:22 PM Link | #33983
Posted by Luigi#1
Isn't it obvious! Peach gets kidnapped!

Seriously though, if you can explain why Bowser wants a new universe I'm on board.


Uhh why did he want a New Universe in the first SMG? or why does he want to take over the world in the RPG games? We don't need an exact reason why. It's typical villain-stuff, since there's no villain in gaming who wouldn't want to take over or destroy the world if he/she had the chance to :P

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SquidEmpress
Posted on 10-19-13 04:20 AM Link | #34015
Posted by Agent000
Yeah but that doesn't explain why Bowser goes to the edge of the universe or anything about gravigen, and is kind of an underwhelming setup IMO. Also tying the world map directly into the story feels forced and would require some strange dialogue to explain.


Actually, the world map is simply implied with gc's idea so that there is not a big story about the map.

Your plot idea can go with gc's idea, and Bowser obtains gravigen from the galaxies, especially Gravigen Extractor. Edge of The Universe is the center of Bowser's new universe that he is creating.

So to wrap it up, the edge of the universe is becoming the center of Bowser's new universe that he is creating with the power of gravigen.

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Agent000
Posted on 10-19-13 05:13 AM (rev. 2 of 10-19-13 05:14 AM) Link | #34016
Almost. He's going to the edge of the universe to EXIT the universe and create a new one outside it. The final level is Mario crossing over into Bowser's created universe.

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NWPlayer123
Posted on 10-19-13 05:20 AM Link | #34018
Posted by Agent000
Almost. He's going to the edge of the universe to EXIT the universe and create a new one outside it. The final level is Mario crossing over into Bowser's created universe.

Oh, well if you put it THAT way, that brings up a ton of stuff we can do. Since nothing has ever been canonized of that, we can do a lot of amazing stuff with his dimension.

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Tahcryon
Posted on 10-19-13 05:46 AM Link | #34019
Well, to be honest, I never thought he was making a new universe. I just thought he was making a 'layer' above the one that currently exists. Hmm.

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Agent000
Posted on 10-19-13 03:46 PM Link | #34029
That's effectively the same thing. The point is he's creating a completely new place to rule instead of trying to rule the universe he's failed so many times to conquer.

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LordFalcon
Posted on 12-18-13 04:05 PM Link | #36244
Given that Bowser will be granted full control of the new universe, then the sole reason Peach was kidnapped was to actually lure Mario into the new realm, in the hopes he could be trapped, and thus granting Bowser a lifetime of vengeance. In case Bowser needs another reason to gather the Power Stars other than getting big, since his priority now is the gravigen, it could be that the Stars' energy can partly counter its effect, which makes it easier to manipulate, at the same time it prevents even Bowser and his minions from being crushed by the massive amount of matter which was gathered.

Pixel Fire
Posted on 12-19-13 01:38 AM Link | #36288
So maybe the galaxies in world 7 should all be created by Bowser...

Dodecagon
Posted on 12-19-13 01:41 AM Link | #36289
I just want to know why we even need a story in the first place. We're making a hack for a Mario game, and a main series one at that. Too much story could turn people away from SMG2.5, I certainly hated when they did it in Super Paper Mario.

Marionumber1
Posted on 12-19-13 01:57 AM Link | #36291
Posted by GrapeEscape
I just want to know why we even need a story in the first place. We're making a hack for a Mario game, and a main series one at that. Too much story could turn people away from SMG2.5, I certainly hated when they did it in Super Paper Mario.


I really liked Super Paper Mario's story, but I agree that a game like this shouldn't really have one. Stories belong in the RPG games, not the platformers.

NWPlayer123
Posted on 12-19-13 04:33 AM Link | #36306

make it exclusive :3
who said it was bowser's?
or better yet
uh
what
>edge of the universe
of course it's bowsers
nvm
who else made it?
the new plot with the dark matter and shit yeah ik nwp nvm
I just came up with a stupid idea
* NWPlayer123 stabs noskinnedkoopa
Glamdozer is the best boss in the entire Mario series.
Just putting that out there.
Glemdozer
The Star Toads come from their own world, with its own princess and Mario
lololno
hahaha ]
Stario and Princess Twinkle xD
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
ahaha YES
ohgod let's bring clones into this
Stario
lol
beautiful
What about Luigi and Bowser?
it's a pure version of cosmic clones c: stario
meh they come from a world without a Luigi and Bowser
just Star Toads, Stario, and Princess Twinkle
make mirror madness do a kid icarus and clone mario
:3
OMG YES
What's the point of Stario's existence if he doesn't have any star goombas to stomp?
PANDORA RETURNS IN SMG2.5
Have they ever really even explained what Mario does in his free time?
eat pasta
clean toilets
have sex with P-
nevermind
oh!
STARLIGHT
Mario has
THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE
coughyou
coughfuckyou
RACES, PARTIES, SPORTS TOURNAMENTS
AND GOES TO THE OLYMPICS WITH SONIC
NoSkinnedKoopa there are football koopas in 3D World
lol
THATS WHAT MARIO DOES IN HIS FREE TIME
Yes, but none of this would happen if Mario wasn't popular in the Mushroom Kingdom.
whaddyo think of dat
starlight: those are called "charging chucks"
Without a Bowser, Princess Twinkle would never be kidnapped.
umm
she's not kidnapped
Starwzer?
idk
that's the thing
Stario would never save a princess and become famous.
lol better yet, let's take a leaf from ALBW
Hilda
:#
NO
BAD
So he'd just be an ordinary guy that nobody cares about.
BAD NWP
YOU ARE A FOOL
no grape
hahaha how about Cloneo
he saved the princess from idk space monsters
WE COULD BRING TATANGA BACK.
FROM SUPER MARIO LAND.
NO
CLONEO
the Star Kingdom is just mostly in peace
Star World*
yes World*
Star Land*
StarSHINE*
So...while derping around on the IRC, we came up with a totally believable scenario. We should have an ALBW Dark World version that is what Bowser's trying to get into. He knows he can't win here, so he tries to break into the other universe where there are doubles of everything except Mario and Luigi. One of Rosalina, Peach, even bringing back star toads from SMG1's beta as a toad brigade and even normal toads. IT TOTALLY WORKS.

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NoSkinnedKoopa
Posted on 12-19-13 04:48 AM Link | #36308
Posted by NWPlayer123

make it exclusive :3
who said it was bowser's?
or better yet
uh
what
>edge of the universe
of course it's bowsers
nvm
who else made it?
the new plot with the dark matter and shit yeah ik nwp nvm
I just came up with a stupid idea
* NWPlayer123 stabs noskinnedkoopa
Glamdozer is the best boss in the entire Mario series.
Just putting that out there.
Glemdozer
The Star Toads come from their own world, with its own princess and Mario
lololno
hahaha ]
Stario and Princess Twinkle xD
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
ahaha YES
ohgod let's bring clones into this
Stario
lol
beautiful
What about Luigi and Bowser?
it's a pure version of cosmic clones c: stario
meh they come from a world without a Luigi and Bowser
just Star Toads, Stario, and Princess Twinkle
make mirror madness do a kid icarus and clone mario
:3
OMG YES
What's the point of Stario's existence if he doesn't have any star goombas to stomp?
PANDORA RETURNS IN SMG2.5
Have they ever really even explained what Mario does in his free time?
eat pasta
clean toilets
have sex with P-
nevermind
oh!
STARLIGHT
Mario has
THERE ARE CHILDREN HERE
coughyou
coughfuckyou
RACES, PARTIES, SPORTS TOURNAMENTS
AND GOES TO THE OLYMPICS WITH SONIC
NoSkinnedKoopa there are football koopas in 3D World
lol
THATS WHAT MARIO DOES IN HIS FREE TIME
Yes, but none of this would happen if Mario wasn't popular in the Mushroom Kingdom.
whaddyo think of dat
starlight: those are called "charging chucks"
Without a Bowser, Princess Twinkle would never be kidnapped.
umm
she's not kidnapped
Starwzer?
idk
that's the thing
Stario would never save a princess and become famous.
lol better yet, let's take a leaf from ALBW
Hilda
:#
NO
BAD
So he'd just be an ordinary guy that nobody cares about.
BAD NWP
YOU ARE A FOOL
no grape
hahaha how about Cloneo
he saved the princess from idk space monsters
WE COULD BRING TATANGA BACK.
FROM SUPER MARIO LAND.
NO
CLONEO
the Star Kingdom is just mostly in peace
Star World*
yes World*
Star Land*
StarSHINE*
So...while derping around on the IRC, we came up with a totally believable scenario. We should have an ALBW Dark World version that is what Bowser's trying to get into. He knows he can't win here, so he tries to break into the other universe where there are doubles of everything except Mario and Luigi. One of Rosalina, Peach, even bringing back star toads from SMG1's beta as a toad brigade and even normal toads. IT TOTALLY WORKS.

Well just to add, a alternate Mario could work IMO, as an NPC who gives Mario advice like The Chimp, he doesn't have to be SUPER involved, he could just appear a few times just for advice or a chat while Mario launches among the planets through his adventure.


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