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Yoshimaster96
Posted on 04-26-15 06:06 PM Link | #59265
Link to article

What a bunch of idiots! Not only is that law ridiculous, but how do you plan on enforcing it? What are your thoughts?

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Arisotura
Posted on 04-26-15 06:22 PM Link | #59268
Can't read the original article because that dumb site decided to force a French version of it on me.


In the same category, Nintendo says that emulators are used to play games downloaded illegally. Nevermind that those games can also be dumped legally in several cases. And nevermind that their very own Virtual Console also uses emulators.

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MercuryPenny
Posted on 04-26-15 09:03 PM Link | #59285
If you'll illegally excuse me, I'll illegally get back to illegally modifying illegal ROMs, and illegally distributing them in the illegal form of IPS patches so other people with illegally ripped illegal ROMS can illegally play them. Illegally.

I wonder if similar morons will declare the IPS patch format illegal, because they are associated with "hacking".

Arisotura
Posted on 04-26-15 09:07 PM Link | #59287
USA will pull whatever crap it damn wants to outlaw hacking activities or any form of creativity that isn't within the system. If you aren't a good mindless consuming sheep, you go to jail!


then I guess this board is illegal too, and doubly so because the original software was obtained by hacking into a server

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natnew
Posted on 04-27-15 07:38 PM Link | #59305
Posted by StapleButter
And nevermind that their very own Virtual Console also uses emulators.

You have to PAY to use those, and in addition those emulators cannot be used illegally.

On the main topic: in other words, if you're "temporarily" allowed to play a game, and then make it so you can permanently play it, that's illegal. Seems oddly specific.

Wait... that's exactly what Wiimmfi is doing...


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blimpfruit00
Posted on 04-27-15 10:52 PM Link | #59309
Actually, this is beyond the kind of stupid that usually results concerning emulators and ROMs. This is literally saying it's illegal for you to run servers to play games for which the host company has closed down its servers for. So yeah, according to this, Nintendo has every right to shut down Wiimfii.

SquidEmpress
Posted on 05-03-15 03:12 AM Link | #59462
Right now, the United States is having issues regarding police brutality, race, and sexual orientation, not to mention all of the poverty and crime that exists over here, and instead of trying to fix all of that, we're trying to make it illegal to preserve old games?! Seriously?!

That's like fertilizing the grass instead of putting out the house that is on fire. That's how politics is, it's bent on distracting from the real problems.

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Hiccup
Posted on 05-05-15 06:25 PM (rev. 3 of 05-05-15 06:26 PM) Link | #59480
This is stupid. But this isn't actually a law, you know. It's just the ESA (a company that "represents" video game companies) being stupid as usual, saying "don't look at our video games in that way" and using phrases like "hacking" and "the cloud".

SquidEmpress
Posted on 05-05-15 08:28 PM Link | #59482
It better not become law. Otherwise, I'll be (peacefully) demonstrating. This is in way brining SOPA/PIPA/ACTA back, just not as dire as those but still. If the ESA wants to help society, then why don't they start a charity such as donating games to poor kids on Christmas?

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MercuryPenny
Posted on 05-06-15 05:32 PM Link | #59505
Because they don't care about society, they just want to stomp on every last bit of dignity, individuality and freedom we have.

Arisotura
Posted on 05-06-15 06:29 PM Link | #59509
Yesterday I read about Keurig's failed attempt at applying DRM to coffee cups. What a fucked up world. What's next, embedding RSA keys in coffee cups?


Posted by MercuryPenny
Because they don't care about society, they just want to stomp on every last bit of dignity, individuality and freedom we have.

Pretty much this. They want us to be good, mindless consuming sheep.

Still allowing some creativity, though (things like Mario Maker), but only within the approved ways.

This is why the cloud trend is so good. A potential future would be having all the software run on giant servers, and our 'computers' would be dumb terminals with nothing in them. This way, everyone would have access to everything they need in any place... and the big companies would be in control. Try to do something they don't want? Banned from the cloud, have fun living in stone age now.



To come back to the topic a bit more, this is just utterly retarded. When you bought the game, it belongs to you. They have no power whatsoever over how long you can keep it or what you can do with it.

But then, there's the whole part about software ownership. You bought the copy, it's yours, the physical storage medium (CD/cart/whatever) is yours. But the software on it is the intellectual property of who made it. But nethertheless, you bought a copy of it. It's weird.

The whole model in itself is kinda fucked. Normally, things you buy are physical items. You buy something, it's yours, you can lend it or give it to other people, but it's still one item. But in the case of software, it can technically be copied and duplicated infinitely and freely.

They basically try to control how you can use it, to keep you from say, duplicating it at will and giving out free copies (or worse, selling copies and making money off of their thing). In itself, it's legit, those programmers need to make money. But the model is inherently flawed. It's a whole dilemma.

And that leads to utter bullshit like "oh, you may no longer access that game you bought because we say so, have a nice day and fuck you".


The two abuse cases I mentioned above are what copyright laws are meant to cover, among other things. But nowadays copyright laws seem to become more "any use of our intellectual property that doesn't feed us money is illegal". The whole copyright system is being warped in the sole intent of feeding the big companies' greed.

Not making money is not the same thing as losing money. Giving your game out for free causes a loss to the game company, because other people are able to freely get copies they should have paid for. Making, say, gameplay videos or related fangames doesn't cause a loss to the game company. They don't make money from it, but it's not their base product.

Then, if you make money off of products derivated from their base products (like the aforementioned gameplay videos or fangames), well, it's another story.

But if you don't make money... there is no problem?

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SquidEmpress
Posted on 05-06-15 08:50 PM Link | #59520
ROM hacking is a legal grey area. Basically, the absolute worst thing one can do is sell game files. If you decide to make money by charging people to download game files, then I hope you get sued the shit out of.

Also, you don't say to video game companies or whatever things like "oh hey, I downloaded some stuff on Google" because that'd be like telling a police officer "oh hey, I went a few kilometers or miles or whatever over the speed limit".

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Hiccup
Posted on 05-07-15 12:45 PM Link | #59548
Posted by StapleButter
Not making money is not the same thing as losing money.

This is exactly it. These extreme copyright laws are made to increase companies profits, much less so to protect their work.

Fruit Smasher
Posted on 05-18-15 02:18 AM Link | #59886
I have no idea what the article is trying to say...

Are they saying Wiimmfi is illegal, Hacking old games illegal, or Playing old games are illegal.

lol im so confused

GreenThunder1337
Posted on 05-18-15 02:42 AM Link | #59890
Posted by Somebody Else
I have no idea what the article is trying to say...

Are they saying Wiimmfi is illegal, Hacking old games illegal, or Playing old games are illegal.

lol im so confused

1. They are saying archiving old games is "hacking"

2. They are trying to stop us from archiving old games

That help?

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Yoshimaster96
Posted on 05-18-15 12:45 PM Link | #59904
Yes. And 80 year copyrights are ridiculous.

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Arisotura
Posted on 05-18-15 12:51 PM Link | #59905
The sole purpose is that you buy new games instead of hanging onto old games.


The whole copyright system has one sole reason for existing, and it's not protecting authors' works.



But come on, people can't be hanging on old games forever either. They can be nostalgic, but usually they also like novelty.

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Fruit Smasher
Posted on 05-20-15 11:14 PM Link | #60008
So hacking mario games/roms from your OWN copy of the game and Tested from your OWN ds is illegal?

Fuck my life :sob:

Arisotura
Posted on 05-20-15 11:15 PM Link | #60009
Don't let copyright abuse take you down :)

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Fruit Smasher
Posted on 05-20-15 11:23 PM Link | #60010
Posted by StapleButter
Don't let copyright abuse take you down :)


lol im too paranoid that this site will be found by nintendo, track my IP, than come to my house and drag me away to the desert.
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