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 Paratroopa transphobe. Level: 27 
Posts: 48/156 EXP: 111846 Next: 4313 Since: 04-11-16 From: Local trash can Last post: 2313 days ago Last view: 725 days ago |
Look, there really isn't going to be a good president this year
You're basically choosing who you think the lesser of the two evil is |
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Wii U hacker Level: 55 Posts: 553/709 EXP: 1290030 Next: 24159 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2576 days ago Last view: 952 days ago |
Jill Stein is a great choice, though she has no chance of winning. |
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Posts: 418/450 EXP: 587228 Next: 24057 Since: 12-09-14 Last post: 2809 days ago Last view: 2792 days ago |
Flash forward in 2025: The U.S. seems like it has never existed, for a giant nuclear bomb has fell upon it and decimated the population. Actually, even better, climate change is led to the Statue of Liberty bring half sunk in water and the world is an inhabitable place. A small spaceship with the 100 richest capitalists in the world is flying to Mars to seek a better life. Everyone else has been left behind to die. ____________________ MusiMasta - YouTube Channel Currently 374 subs! Help support me by subscribing! Thanks! 
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Normal user Level: 59 Posts: 679/815 EXP: 1579496 Next: 93632 Since: 09-06-12 Last post: 2050 days ago Last view: 128 days ago |
Posted by TMolter But that has got nothing to do with communism. Also, no evidence for what you are saying. |
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 Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 166 
Posts: 6765/9076 EXP: 59113759 Next: 1073927 Since: 07-03-12 From: in a box 
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Paratroopa transphobe. Level: 27
Posts: 51/156 EXP: 111846 Next: 4313 Since: 04-11-16 From: Local trash can Last post: 2313 days ago Last view: 725 days ago |
Posted by HiccupSomeone who wants to take rights away from us doesn't seem to like the whole idea of freedom. Hillary is that kind of person that thinks the government should be able to see what we are doing at all time. well, she isn't part of that list, but the rest of us are |
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Embodiment of Time Can someone lead me to a non-capitalist clothing store? Level: 129 Posts: 5041/5087 EXP: 24793259 Next: 256395 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2564 days ago Last view: 1126 days ago |
Posted by TMolter You've got nothing to be afraid of if you're not doing anything wrong ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ____________________
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Star Mario in this room you have a pile of apple pies Level: 166
Posts: 6774/9076 EXP: 59113759 Next: 1073927 Since: 07-03-12 From: in a box
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Buster Beetle Vaporeon Level: 44
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Hopefully after the elections the election discussion will occur less. It's real frustrating, at least for me, to see that there is not a single good candidate. I've completely lost faith on America honestly, and I don't see why people even take political discussions seriously anymore... ____________________ MusiMasta - YouTube Channel Currently 374 subs! Help support me by subscribing! Thanks!
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Normal user Level: 59 Posts: 680/815 EXP: 1579496 Next: 93632 Since: 09-06-12 Last post: 2050 days ago Last view: 128 days ago |
Posted by TMolter That isn't a responce to what I said. You haven't given evidence or made (or broken) a connection with communism. |
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Wii U hacker Level: 55 Posts: 554/709 EXP: 1290030 Next: 24159 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2576 days ago Last view: 952 days ago |
Posted by MusiMasta What do you think of the 3rd party candidates? |
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![[image]](http://www.mariowiki.com/images/a/af/Mario_Mugshot_%2798.gif) Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 83 
Posts: 735/2062 EXP: 5397820 Next: 34401 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 777 days ago Last view: 776 days ago |
I don't think Jill Stein is that great. She trods way too much into anti-science. For all the bad Hillary is, but at the very least, her record on science beats all other candidates. Jill Stein might be tougher on global warming, but she's an anti-vaxxer and anti-GMO. I don't want to vote for an anti-vaxxer and an anti-GMO and someone's who's possibly a 9/11 truther as well. On social policies, she's... all right I guess?
Gary Johnson is very, very meh. Don't like his policies at all, especially his economic and healthcare plans. |
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Baby Luigi Level: 54 
Posts: 394/749 EXP: 1181866 Next: 52004 Since: 03-13-16 From: Lost in Time Last post: 2086 days ago Last view: 2080 days ago |
^Same I have strong pro-science views and Jill Stein's views on vaccination and genetically modified foods disgust me.
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Wii U hacker Level: 55 Posts: 555/709 EXP: 1290030 Next: 24159 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2576 days ago Last view: 952 days ago |
Posted by LeftyGreenMario Jill Stein isn't an anti-vaxxer; her position is that we need to eliminate corporate control over the FDA. She's also not a 9/11 truther; she wants a new investigation, given the perceptions that the original one was obstructed (including from well-respected Democrats like Max Cleland), and the desires of some victims' families. And I actually do happen to believe that there are some inconsistencies in the 9/11 explanation worth examining further. The anti-GMO stance is pretty bad. But on basically every other issue, Jill is far and away better than Hillary. She's the only candidate who'll challenge corporate power, fight for economic fairness, and treat climate change as the real crisis that it is. |
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Baby Luigi Level: 54
Posts: 396/749 EXP: 1181866 Next: 52004 Since: 03-13-16 From: Lost in Time Last post: 2086 days ago Last view: 2080 days ago |
Well, she was basically JAQ'ing off here
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/07/29/jill-stein-on-vaccines-people-have-real-questions/ She's doubting the trust we have over the vaccination, even though there doesn't need to be any doubt over our current methods of vaccination. RespectfulInsolence does a good blog post criticizing her here http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2016/08/01/jill-stein-and-left-wing-antivaccine-dog-whistles/ |
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Wii U hacker Level: 55 Posts: 556/709 EXP: 1290030 Next: 24159 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2576 days ago Last view: 952 days ago |
Jill's primary criticism has always been corporate influence over our drug approval process. She literally said "We have a real compelling need for vaccinations", but it's important to make sure that people can trust them. Assuaging their fears that vaccines are unsafe, by putting people who lack a vested interest in charge of their approval, is likely to make more people accept vaccines.
The science websites interpret anti-corporatism as anti-science, which seems rather ridiculous. What's the problem with wanting that influence out of the government? If it really is true that corporate influence over the vaccine approval process doesn't exist (which may be the case, but it can also happen in subtle ways that are harder to pick up on), she's still not anti-vax for mentioning it. And getting it out of the government in general is good public policy. |
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Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 83 
Posts: 742/2062 EXP: 5397820 Next: 34401 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 777 days ago Last view: 776 days ago |
As far as I know, there isn't any corporate-related problems with vaccines. It's a non-issue, but it's brought up by more hard-core anti-vaxxers. It's still essentially the same argument, though.
Jill Stein also said this, which is JAQing off. None of these concerns are valid, the mercury "issue" is a dead-horse (i.e. it's been debunked: it's not the same mercury compound as the toxic one and it is present in extremely low doses, probably lower than the natural amount in the body).
"Corporate influence" sounds like a dogwhistle to me, and it does bring up the radar when vaccines have pretty minimal corporate influence. It sounds like code for "I don't trust vaccines". |
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Wii U hacker Level: 55 Posts: 557/709 EXP: 1290030 Next: 24159 Since: 07-07-12 Last post: 2576 days ago Last view: 952 days ago |
Whether or not the corporate argument has merit (and I did see that quote, though it's possible that corporate influence over the advisory board exists in some other way), it's not anti-vaccine. One can call it a dogwhistle, but that means that at worst, Jill is just pandering to anti-vaxxers. I still don't see how that makes her anti-vaccine, or shows that she'll pursue anti-vaccine public policy.
As for your second quote, she's mostly talking about past concerns. Subtly implying that some might not be addressed to this day is problematic, but again, that only indicates (at worst) pandering. |
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Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 83
Posts: 744/2062 EXP: 5397820 Next: 34401 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 777 days ago Last view: 776 days ago |
They aren't exactly actual concerns though.
I actually think it's at best pandering, not at worst. If you're pro-vax, you won't even bring up those arguments. Additionally, anti-vaxxers usually don't straight up say they are, so you have to look at their language. They often say very similar things and try to disguise their arguments to sound reasonable. For instance, they say "I'm not anti-vaccine, I'm pro-safe vaccine" without regarding that vaccines are already safe and effective to begin with. If Jill Stein is really concerned about corporate influence, she shouldn't bring up vaccines at all; the Epipen scandal is a far better target. But by giving common anti-vaccine arguments a platform to stand on, I question her actual stance on vaccines compared to the scientific literature. Additionally, anti-vaxxine and anti-GMO people very often overlap and also use very similar arguments. Not saying that because she's anti-GMO it means she has to be anti-vaccine, but it doesn't lend her arguments on vaccines a lot of support. |
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