Posted by NoSkinnedKoopa

Yes we should totally do that. And I was thinking because NWP's pic gave me an idea of this galaxy was supposed to be messed up in the future, I immediately thought of the Lanayru Desert from Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword. It was so clever how in the past, technology was more advanced than in the future. We should use a gimmick similar to the Timeshift Stones as well.

Posted by NWPlayer123

IDK how practical that is though.
Plus we are already basing fearsome factory on lanayru, but I really like it, and I think it fits both galaxies themes, so definitely, at least with the art direction and such

Posted by Polari

Hmm, it would be cool if Riddle Ruins was actually Shrapnel Sandbar, but in another part of it, and in the future. Mario would think that this is a brand new galaxy, go there, and realize that the Yoshi Sphinx was actually where the other faction on Shrapnel was. It'd be fun to have unneaded story behind all of it

Posted by NWPlayer123

Posted by Glem3

<sup>This should be a sort of galaxy take on the typical "final bowser" world of the classic super mario bros. games... it takes place on bowser's planet, and has many missions, involving his "army", we could have some spaceships, and finally, bowser's castle.

This level mainly serves to provide a classic final level experience, before delving into the more twisted/galaxy experience of "edge of the universe". I think we agreed that at the end of this level, we find a room where peach supposedly was kept-- The final area should be a part of the castle with a cage (which peach was clearly in) that is now wrecked, but with a power star inside it instead. Either a signboard or an NPC can say that Peach was moved.

Of course, a "Sorry Mario, but your Princess is in another Galaxy!" joke is in order here.</sup>

Posted by gc

^{Yes, the edge of the universe should have more of a wasteland feel, with dark matter etc. The army would be stationed here, so spammage of airships, Undergrunt Gunners, Elec/Fire Shooters, spin switches, mechanical doors etc. is in order here}. Actually, there shouldn't be too much lava (EotU has enough dark matter to cover that), or bullet bills (Bullet Base/Shrapnel Sandbar will cover that). There should be more of an army feel.
^{Oh, and the "Sorry Mario, but your princess is in another Galaxy" joke can be put on a signpost, and signed by Bowser Jr} .

^{I totally agree with the dark matter feel, and I don't think Yoshi would fit in all that well....but if you can think of something plausible as a gimmick go right ahead.
We *could* use gravigen here, seeing as it is part of the story with Bowser and such. However, I don't know if we should use it more here or more in EotU}

Posted by gc

Posted by gc

Actually, should this be one of Bowser's castles? I mean, it'd make sense. I really don't want this level to be "a bunch of connected walkways and gates".

Posted by gc

Maybe this should be actually Bowser's castle+surrounding courtyard(s). It would make sense for Bowser's army to be in his castle.
Hmmm, maybe a horde battle would be too messy. Perhaps groups of 5 or so enemies blocking staircases, hallways and walkways, "squadrons" of 10 or so enemies waiting in a room, 3 or so Hammer Bros chucking hammers down from adjacent higher walkways, maybe traps with Piranha Plants and stuff like that, Bowser Jr. doors with enemies behind them in one part, Bowser gates near the end, and maybe an army of ~100 enemies split into about 5 groups in a part of the courtyard, which Mario must avoid. And a lot of other enemies scattered around elsewhere.
There should be Bowser flags everywhere. Ooh, wait, maybe a group guards a Bowser flag leading up to another walkway. Less lava, perhaps, but maybe a generator room with Amps and lava, or a lava enemy room filled with the typical Bowser stage enemies with even more emphasis on lava. Replacing any Sling Stars/Launch Stars with flagpoles and cannons would help the Bowser army theme, too.

Posted by Glem3

I haven't read the design for this in a while, but if you ask me, we could probably use multiple images as inspiration, as you could switch between many large planets, one like the first and second images, as well as going INSIDE of a sun and on top of one like in the last few images.

Posted by Agent000

Posted by Silver

Posted by Agent000

It'd be cool to have an area of platforming outside the tower, ala "Slippery Climb" from Crash Bandicoot. (Also, it should be storming if possible, though I can't recall there actually being rain in SMG2 )

Exactly what I was thinking except more like Stormy Ascent.

The only difference between those was that Stormy Ascent was so friggin difficult that they removed it from the game

And Polari:

Slippery Spoiler (click to reveal)

Posted by gc

It would be great to have one half of the level be completely underground in a temple, exactly like NSK's pics of Arbiter's Grounds, except with many traps, like a retextured Ledge Hammer, a hidden Thwomp with only a dip in the ground hinting at its prescence, one of those Clockwork Ruins giant rolling stone-platforms coming down a narrow hallway...
Dead ends that don't look like a dead end, and correct paths that look like a dead end. It should be unnervingly monotonous, but with hidden dangers emerging everywhere.
It should be a labyrinth, designed to lead Mario past all the traps, with many dead ends but only ever one correct path.

The "trickster" Hungry Lumas could be found here, in the maze. The real one could launch him back to the surface, for the second part.

You know, it's slightly annoying when you keep saying "it's not what I'm imagining" or something along those lines, without giving any ideas of your own. I have no idea what your idea would be...(NWP)

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Posted by gc

Posted by Agent000

Posted by Silver

Posted by Agent000

It'd be cool to have an area of platforming outside the tower, ala "Slippery Climb" from Crash Bandicoot. (Also, it should be storming if possible, though I can't recall there actually being rain in SMG2 )

Exactly what I was thinking except more like Stormy Ascent.

The only difference between those was that Stormy Ascent was so friggin difficult that they removed it from the game

And Polari:

Slippery Spoiler (click to reveal)

Anyway...I thought it's supposed to be a single tower?
If so, the level could be segments of Stormy Ascent like platforming, interspaced with sections where Mario has to enter the tower, fight a garrison of enemies, and find a way to the next "staircase".
Or, if there are multiple towers, there could be minibosses...

I don't think Spring Mario is a good idea. With a vertical level layout, having the Spring and falling will be very frustrating.