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Posted on 01-12-13 10:52 PM, in [Rock 'n' Roll Galaxy] Rock 'n' Roll Level Design

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o.o an Octoomba concert...they do kinda look like they're dancing

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Posted on 01-12-13 10:53 PM, in [Fearsome Factory Galaxy] {FINALIZED} Fearsome Factory Music (rev. 2 of 01-12-13 10:59 PM)

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You made that? That's not your youtube channel

Edit: Ah, I see, it's an old one.

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Posted on 01-14-13 06:03 PM, in [Fearsome Factory Galaxy] {FINALIZED} Fearsome Factory Music

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That's awesome! I would agree with NWPlayer, and also the instrument that comes in around 0:17-0:18 makes it sound like music from a Sonic game, but maybe that's just me...

And some bits sound like Spyro music, but again that might be just me. Very nice work!

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Posted on 01-14-13 06:48 PM, in [Fearsome Factory Galaxy] {FINALIZED} Fearsome Factory Music

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Posted by mariogalaxythree
Lots of mechanical sounds, possibly synth, definitely synth strings, Low hums for intimidation, and other factory like sounds. Nothing out of my reach.

:/ Did you see that someone's already made music that we like for this?

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Posted on 01-14-13 10:55 PM, in Music Composition Guidelines (rev. 22 of 06-08-13 12:20 PM)

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Read the following list please:
- A music sequencing program (FL Studio, Cakewalk, Cubase, etc.) I haven't tried this myself, but I've heard that OpenMPT is a very good free option.
- Good, realistic orchestra sound samples
~ A free download of good samples can be found here: http://ul.to/ruqqlhx4/EWQLOrc.part1.rar These come with their own VST plugin. Find out what a VST plugin is before even downloading these, as the >500MB of sounds will be useless if you do not know how to use them. [Also note (ha

) that this lacks a lot of instruments that many, including myself, find essential (e.g. clarinet and percussion) and as a result you may have to search around for some good samples.]
- Understanding of basic composition technique AND the style of the Mario Galaxy games' music

If you are considering writing music for 2.5, you pretty much have to have all of those things. And all of it is free, unless you want to buy a top-notch sequencing program.

It is incredibly important to consider the style of SMG's music when composing for 2.5. The Dark Knight, Pirates of the Caribbean, Lord of the Rings, etc. all have great music, but they don't fit Mario Galaxy. Similarly, something like rap or dubstep doesn't fit. Mario Galaxy's soundtrack can be for the most part described as big orchestral, but not HUGE orchestral. Try not to think of SMG music as 'epic' because that all too often brings up patterns of ominous, dark pieces with prominent basslines.

Examples: BowieZ's 'Driftwood Galaxy'
- BowieZ's 'Starship Mario'
- Blaz's 'Radiant Moon Galaxy'
- Blaz's 'Grasslands Galaxy'
- My (Agent000's) 'Monstrous Being'
- Zommy08's 'Lightning-Speed Sprint'
- Mariogalaxythree's 'Edge of the Universe'

Sticking to a true Galaxy style is key for this project, and music is no exception. Following one basic rule could help: BIG, but not LOUD. And by LOUD, I mean obnoxiously noisy. While this may work for movies, it does not work with a Mario game. If you for some reason need some movie-music inspiration, I suggest this: think something driving but light like Back to the Future, not booming and ominous like The Dark Knight or Inception. (Basically, don't try to replicate Hans Zimmer

). A possible exception may be boss battle music, though even in these cases I would strongly advise retaining the SMG style.

As NWPlayer123 said in a most likely inspiring voice with a slight English accent so as to make it come off as that much more epic, "Composing is like writing an essay. It's perfectly fine to incorporate your voice or style, but going off-topic from what you're discussing is just a ramble."

Of course, this is all referring to the big galaxy themes. Minigame music, minor-galaxy music, etc follows a different set of rules. These are less likely to be big, full orchestras. Small ensembles may well work for some themes (think of Freezy Flake Galaxy in SMG2 for example.) Synthesized or electronic music is occasionally used in the SMG games, like in Toy Time Galaxy or Spin-Dig Galaxy. (My personal favorite type of music in the games is the mixtures of orchestral and electronic done largely by Ryo Nagamatsu, like in the Purple Coin theme or Fleet Glide Galaxy. MoreCowbell dubbed this "technorchestra." But I suppose those fit better under the previous category.)

Examples: BowieZ's 'Atomic Clock Galaxy'
- My (Agent000's) 'Lonely Grotto'
- My (Agent000's) 'Latency'
- My (Agent000's) 'Ancient Mechanisms'
- Mariogalaxythree's 'Toxic Terror'
- GeometricExpulsion's 'Fearsome Factory Galaxy'

One more thing to consider: leitmotifs. This literally means 'a short, constantly recurring musical phrase.' For example, many film scores repeat roughly the same notes in roughly the same pattern throughout the movie, and these repeated patterns are often tied to a particular idea or even character.

Examples:
- When Ghirahim appears in The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, this pattern or some variant of it is almost always heard.
- A great example is the movie Up, in which Michael Giacchino uses a recurring leitmotif throughout the movie. Listen as he uses nearly the same pattern of notes and rhythms (though sometimes changing the key) in a light, happy way, a sad way, a big epic way, and a threatening way.
- Or, of course, SMG's recurring leitmotif.

Leitmotifs help create a sense of unity throughout the entire soundtrack. Does this mean every track should be riddled with famous melodies from Mario games, or even with SMG themes? No. Usually only the music for the most crucial situations in the game (i.e. some of the biggest galaxies, the beginning, final boss, etc.) have common leitmotifs, but the majority of the tracks do not.

One thing I was thinking of using in multiple tracks (and thereby turning into a leitmotif) was this melody that I heard in MG3's "End of the Universe."

Fun Fact: I underlined the word leitmotif everywhere in this post because it looks cool. Or tacky. It's like the overuse of transitions and animations in PowerPoint, except without transitions and animations.

Finally, one more point: Remember to get permission to make music for a specific galaxy, making sure to follow the general consensus on how the music should sound. Don't learn this the hard way like I did ;-;

Hopefully these guidelines helped! Happy composing!

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Posted on 01-14-13 10:56 PM, in List Of All Galaxies And Their Music

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I kinda liked Blaz's 'Neutron Star Reactor' for EotU. I asked him to get it cleaned up so it could be used.

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Posted on 01-15-13 11:34 AM, in Music Composition Guidelines (rev. 2 of 01-15-13 11:34 AM)

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._o I never remotely suggested that all my music is perfect...

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Posted on 01-15-13 05:13 PM, in [Flarefrost Galaxy] Flarefrost Galaxy Concept Art

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Posted on 01-15-13 05:53 PM, in Music Composition Guidelines

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Thanks guys. I'm adding embedded links to the music examples now

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Posted on 01-15-13 08:41 PM, in [Dry Boneyard Galaxy] Dry Boneyard Music (rev. 2 of 01-15-13 08:43 PM)

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Interesting. I could almost see the first 40 seconds going in the Void in EotU (but I'm still going with silent for that.) The part after that reminds me of Crash Bandicoot 1 (which is good, seeing as there were several good creepy themes in that.) I'm also hearing a very distinct Twilight Zone vibe during the faster part

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Posted on 01-15-13 08:52 PM, in [Dry Boneyard Galaxy] Dry Boneyard Music

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I think you probably should. The constant mood change might sound weird ingame.

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Posted on 01-15-13 08:58 PM, in [Dry Boneyard Galaxy] Dry Boneyard Music

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Maybe, that'll all depend on how the level is designed.

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Posted on 01-16-13 03:41 PM, in [Edge of the Universe] Edge of the Universe Main Level Design

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That would be interesting, to have the difficulty based almost entirely around tough platforming rather than enemies.

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Posted on 01-16-13 08:09 PM, in World Map Music Guidelines poll

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Gonna have to go with Different. I understand NWP's point but honestly I'd rather have different themes like the original game did. Those themes should, however, have largely the same feel to them (with the possible exception of World 6 and World 7.)

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Posted on 01-17-13 03:16 PM, in [Fast Food Galaxy] Fast Food Music

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Posted by NWPlayer123
Yeah, but that would need to be updated, which requires more work, and I'm already demanding a lot of remixing to fit different scenarios in each galaxy. I don't think that we need to go too far. I'll see what others think

I might do that, I really like Zommy's GG theme

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Posted on 01-17-13 03:21 PM, in [Ground Growth Galaxy] Ground Growth Music

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Eh, that music was okay but I think Zommy's fits ground growth better once I redo it. I think the one being discussed could fit better as the ball-rolling theme. (Though are we even allowed to use that since it's Nintendo's property?

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Posted on 01-17-13 03:23 PM, in [Bowser's Bullet Base] Bullet Base Music

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I agree with MM720, it doesn't really fit this level.

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Posted on 01-17-13 05:25 PM, in [Ground Growth Galaxy] Ground Growth Music

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Alright fine MC. But NWP, Zommy's piece does capture the simple beauty of nature and the fact that you don't need all kinds of complicated things to sound good. Blue Grass is okay and it wouldn't go terribly in Ground Growth, but I'd rather see Zommy's piece in there.

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Posted on 01-17-13 05:28 PM, in [Fearsome Factory Galaxy] {FINALIZED} Fearsome Factory Music

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Yeah, definitely put the long notes back in, though slightly quieter than they were in the older version.

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Posted on 01-17-13 05:31 PM, in Music Composition Guidelines

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Just realized that the second block of example videos was in entirely the wrong place. Fixed.

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