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fiver
Posted on 11-23-17 10:02 PM Link | #91377
Posted by IceFairyAmy
ugh. are you planning to move out of the US considering the shitstate it is in?

i'd prefer you not diss america when you don't live here, lol

and I don't like when people diss this country, anyway. all you see on the news is the bad stuff that happens. every day life is a lot better than what one would think.

of course, the politics here are shitty, but things are relatively nice for your average person, lol
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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 11-26-17 04:20 PM Link | #91442
Posted by fiver
i'd prefer you not diss america when you don't live here, lol

and I don't like when people diss this country, anyway. all you see on the news is the bad stuff that happens. every day life is a lot better than what one would think.

America should be criticized when it deserves it. American deserves it. People should diss their country if they want to. I have my reasons for dissing the U.S. and they're reasons I think are solid: terrible healthcare, having too many religiously-motivated people in positions of power, Trump voters in general, terrible gun culture, not taking global warming seriously, partisan hacks, and so on. Blind nationalism is poisonous.

fiver
Posted on 11-27-17 05:09 PM Link | #91475
sorry, that post did seem a little nationalistic

either way yeah no shit there's problems but people in other countries just going off by what they see on the news and say we are in a shit state is something I just dislike I guess idk

it's like hating a game which hasn't come out yet

(please note I'm not a nationalist, the US has a fuckton of issues, but there is a reason we have illegal immigration issues with people wanting a better life)
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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 03-26-18 10:45 PM Link | #93798
I guess this is tangentially related, but I do wish for the NRA to lick its own butthole. Same thing for the nice bunch of those that identify as conservatives who like smearing Parkland survivors by posting fake images of them burning the Constitution or mocking them for being Cuban (only to double down and point out how "ironic" it is that their family has escaped from a regime that took away their gunz) or whining how high school kids should be seen and not heard and shouldn't have a political voice.

This is what Trump does, folks, it makes a number of Republicans think it's all right to start being verbally vicious to your political opponents. But anyhow, this is what the Republican Party is now (if not for a loooong time now); there is no bottom of this barrel for these maggots who think some amendment that has worked in the context of the 17th century somehow applies today. The 2nd amendment should be repealed or at least put in the same level as relevance as the 4th amendment. Enough is enough.

GalacticPirate
Posted on 03-27-18 05:30 AM Link | #93801
I'm sick of America and mericans thinking they are the world's superior countries when they are in reality one of the very worst countries of the western world. Rednecks carrying assault weapons, kids eating tide pods, butchery "healthcare", a mental retard as a President, noenazism allowed by law, and some of the lowest wages amongst "rich" countries. All the contrary of Sweden/Norway's welfare capitalism -- capitalist states where social politics have allowed very high wages, super low poverty and high education.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 03-27-18 04:23 PM Link | #93807
"Kids eating tide pods" - I'm sure kids in other countries do stupid shit too so I don't think that's a unique phenomenon for U.S. teenagers.

And as for neo-nazism, I don't think those opinions should be outright banned, but just deplatformed. I think deplatforming them is the best solution for these people.

Everything else, yeah, U.S. pretty much lags behind.

Belsaw
Posted on 03-28-18 05:45 PM Link | #93837
Speaking of Neo-Nazism, Scotland convicted a man for teaching his dog to do the Nazi salute as a joke. Funny, Hitler tried to arrest a Finnish man for doing the same thing because it offended him. Meanwhile, it is perfectly fine in the UK to preach anti-Semetic hatred and call for the murder of Jews if it is done in a mosque. But nope, let's just arrest people who Tweet thoughtcrimes. Really makes one wonder who the real Nazis are.

As for repealing the 2nd Amendment, there's too many guns and it would just start a civil war. Interestingly, Karl Marx actually supported gun rights for the proletariat. As for Stalin and Pol Pot, let's just say they would ha s had fellow comrade Marx "reeducated". Besides, what if the 1st and 4th Amendments end up being repealed too? I mean, look at FOSTA and SESTA. Now it seems private companies will be invading people's privacy for the government. But that's alright because they are private companies and they can do whatever they want. It does not matter if it is unethical. Only those evil freeze peach Alt-Righters care if it is unethical.

I don't know, I'm becoming increasingly disenfranchised with what the Western Left has become. Instead of arguing about actual issues like homelessness and clean energy, they complain about non-issues like "cultural appropriation" and "manspreading". Everyone must with them 100% or otherwise they are Nazi gatekeepers. That being said, I am no fan of the Right either. The Right is equally as snowflake as the Left but for other reasons. Back in the Bush Era, the Left defended the 1st and 4th Amendments from Bush's attacks. Then Obama became President and some of the Left was silent when Obama did the same thing as Bush. Now, both the Left and the Right love to censor each other and complain about the other side censoring them.

I wonder what is the term for socially centrist and fiscally socialist. But yeah, we should ban or at the very least heavily restrict assault rifles. An assault "weapon" can be anything from a nuclear bomb to a penny. We also need to completely overhaul mental health care and law enforcement training. Current US mental health care has been called "barbaric" and law enforcement many times are either too brutal or don't act when there are red flags or in the case of Parkland, act at all.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 03-28-18 06:00 PM Link | #93838
When people want the 2nd amendment repealed, they just think it's not constitution-worthy anymore because it was written in a frankly outdated time. Relevant case: I feel we have the constitutional right to own a car far more than we should to own a gun, because, whether you like them or not, cars and vehicles are necessary to the function of modern society. Repealing the 2nd amendment won't take away guns, not from people who actually deserve to own a gun in the first place, it's so that you don't get gun-huggers who balk at the idea of making it a bit harder for lunatics to access guns.

People like to bring up how the US has gun culture, but I ask this: where did you think this gun culture came from? That's right, the amendment and the laws that enable them in the first place, and our media overglorifying them.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 03-30-18 04:23 PM (rev. 4 of 03-30-18 09:14 PM) Link | #93880
Posted by Belsaw
Speaking of Neo-Nazism, Scotland convicted a man for teaching his dog to do the Nazi salute as a joke. Funny, Hitler tried to arrest a Finnish man for doing the same thing because it offended him. Meanwhile, it is perfectly fine in the UK to preach anti-Semetic hatred and call for the murder of Jews if it is done in a mosque. But nope, let's just arrest people who Tweet thoughtcrimes. Really makes one wonder who the real Nazis are.

I feel there's a caveat to those analogies you're trying to construct (and the "in a mosque"...?) because this kind of thing is too bizarre. It didn't feel like a full picture to me. There are a lot of anti-Semetic preaching by imams and a lot of them have already seen consequences. I've just search engined "anti-semitic preaching mosque" and there are articles of people being condemned if not arrested as well for those crimes like this one (call them "thought crimes" but these sorts of things actually do motivate people to kill; see the Santa Cruz Isla Vista killings and mosque vandalism).

Also, that last sentence is completely ingenuous. In no way are those people's arresting the guy (while a gross overreaction over something just incredibly stupid and tasteless) is even CLOSE to Nazism.

As for repealing the 2nd Amendment, there's too many guns and it would just start a civil war. Interestingly, Karl Marx actually supported gun rights for the proletariat. As for Stalin and Pol Pot, let's just say they would ha s had fellow comrade Marx "reeducated". Besides, what if the 1st and 4th Amendments end up being repealed too? I mean, look at FOSTA and SESTA. Now it seems private companies will be invading people's privacy for the government. But that's alright because they are private companies and they can do whatever they want. It does not matter if it is unethical. Only those evil freeze peach Alt-Righters care if it is unethical.


As for the 4th amendment, I miscounted. I meant 3rd amendment. Yeah, quartering troops, something that's relevant back in the 18th century, definitely not today though. That's the 2nd amendment too.

"There's too many guns". Then what do we do, just let people possess those guns? Nobody should keep guns. I don't think it's realistic to confiscate guns but the less guns we have, the better. Guns should be just for collection and maybe hunting (even though I loathe the act of hunting for sport)

My stance on the 2nd amendment is strong, but I think it brings NO value whatsoever and there are countries that have imposed stricter controls and they're not taken over by a tyrannical government. I think those gun nuts are hysterical.

I don't know, I'm becoming increasingly disenfranchised with what the Western Left has become. Instead of arguing about actual issues like homelessness and clean energy, they complain about non-issues like "cultural appropriation" and "manspreading". Everyone must with them 100% or otherwise they are Nazi gatekeepers. That being said, I am no fan of the Right either. The Right is equally as snowflake as the Left but for other reasons. Back in the Bush Era, the Left defended the 1st and 4th Amendments from Bush's attacks. Then Obama became President and some of the Left was silent when Obama did the same thing as Bush. Now, both the Left and the Right love to censor each other and complain about the other side censoring them.

Your argument of "the Western Left complaining about trivial things like 'cultural appropriation and manspreading" is a sweeping generalization of all the issues that group have. It's a stereotype and those are issues of political correctness and the degree of being respectful or not, not necessarily a "left/right" thing. And there are plenty of arguments by the Left on "actual issues"; the "Left" had just had a protest for the serious issue of gun violence and people across the political spectrum do accept the reality of human-based climate change and there are groups complaining about the changes made to the Migratory Bird Act and ACLU suing a city in California for trying to be exempt from sanctuary cities. These are all "real" issues.

There is no "censor" going on, just a bunch of blocking and quibbling. "Censor" is a strong word.

But finally, I don't think it's a "same thing both sides" thing. I think the far-right is much more of a problem than the far-left especially since the far-right has positions of power in the U.S.! And when it comes to science, the right side is overall much more anti-science. The left side has anti-vaccination, "all natural", and GMO acceptance problems; the right has those too, to a lesser extent, but is also mired in anti-vaccination, creationism, evolution denial, and global warming denial.

GalacticPirate
Posted on 03-31-18 10:19 AM Link | #93893
American have a tendancy to call European hate speech laws "censorship", but even the far-left here in France isn't challenging the necessity of these laws. We have a different culture, that doesn't mean we are opressed and stuff.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 03-31-18 04:09 PM Link | #93895
I don't think the hate speed laws are censorship, but I do believe they're more extreme than necessary. I don't agree with jailing people because they act like asshole pricks. Just deplatform them and ostracize them, no need to go further and jail them for frankly saying really stupid things.
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