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Posted on 04-02-17 12:30 AM (rev. 5 of 04-02-17 10:15 AM) Link | #82263
Election integrity is, perhaps, the most important political issue. Here in the US, our vote counting has been moved into the darkness of cyberspace and handed over to private corporations. These elections, counted on black-box electronic machines, have absolutely no claim to legitimacy. What they've done is allow a corporate oligarchy to completely upend the political process. Legalized bribery (another important issue) is one thing, but literally deciding who's allowed into office is a whole new level of power.

Naturally, the oligarchy, which never wants to give up its power, has an interest in keeping this sham electoral system in place. So they need to prevent anyone from scrutinizing it. Citizen investigators who try to audit these machines are routinely denied access to public records, software code, and actual ballots to count. With no way to collect evidence of fraud, and the ability to explain away any election mishaps as "glitches" or "errors", it's been possible (for over 16 years) to pretend that there's no problem with our elections.

But there have been times when the election rigging enterprise came dangerously close to being exposed. When this happens, the deep state oligarchic interests controlling this country are forced to do whatever its takes to stop the exposure. There have been several times when they were willing to commit murder over it. This story, the case of Ray Lemme, is just one particular example.

It's a very odd story, but one that's well-sourced and corroborated. Footnotes are included, with links at the end. A good documentary to watch on this, if you're interested, is Murder, Spies, and Voting Lies.

Clint Curtis


The story actually begins not with Ray Lemme, but with Clint Curtis. Curtis was a self-taught programmer from Illinois who had moved to Florida in the mid 1990s. In 1998, he got a job at a technology contractor called Yang Enterprises (YEI), becoming their lead programmer. YEI was owned by Chinese-American woman Li Woan Yang.[1] It did business for government agencies, such as the Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) and NASA, and corporations, such as Exxon and Walt Disney[2]; it also had business partnerships with other contractors like Northrop Grumman and SAIC.[3]

From the start, YEI struck Curtis as odd. He observed employees sneaking around and downloading data stolen from their clients.[4] Mrs. Yang was sending information to her brother in China, who had been deporting for spying. Hai Lin "Henry" Nee, the quality control manager, was an illegal alien, had inserted wiretapping modules into the FDOT software, and took NASA data off the YEI premises multiple times. It became apparent that they were engaged in Chinese espionage.

In the early fall of 2000, Curtis was introduced to Tom Feeney, former gubernatorial running mate to Jeb Bush in 1994 and incoming Speaker of the Florida state house. Feeney had been hired as YEI's chief counsel and lobbyist. Curtis sat in multiple company meetings with Feeney, in which they discussed the viability of clients' projects and how to get the contracts.


Curtis recalled a particularly strange meeting with Feeney around late September/early October. Feeney asked if YEI could develop a prototype of a vote rigging program. It had to be touchscreen-capable and hidden within the voting system's source code. Curtis, as the YEI technical advisor, remarked that hiding the rigging code would be impossible if the source code was inspected but possible to do if nobody reviewed it.[1] Mrs. Yang ultimately agreed YEI would build the prototype to give Feeney "something to show".

Being a Republican at the time[5], Curtis believed Feeney wanted the prototype so he could catch the Democrats trying to rig the voting machines. He wrote the prototype, along with documentation on how to detect such a program if it was deployed on voting machines. Curtis approved it with Henry Nee and gave it to Mrs. Yang, explaining to her how voting machine rigging could be detected. She then told him that he misunderstood Feeney's request: the manipulation had to be hidden in the source code, since the program was "needed to control the vote in South Florida".

According to Curtis, there were several subsequent meetings with Feeney before the 2000 election, where Feeney openly discussed voter suppression. He bragged about how "exclusion lists" and "proper placement of police controls" could reduce the "black vote" to help Republicans win.[1]

Having become progressively become disgusted at the corruption and criminality in YEI[6], Curtis resigned from YEI around the time of the 2000 election. However, he appeared to leave on good terms, as Mrs. Yang threw him a farewell party and personally signed a card telling him he could come back anytime.[7][4] After leaving Yang Enterprises, Curtis came over to FDOT, one of Yang's clients. He was hired by Mavis Georgalis, an FDOT employee whom Curtis knew through YEI's contract with FDOT.


YEI seemed to immediately panic when they learned Curtis was working at FDOT. Mike Cohen (YEI executive secretary) called him, offering Curtis a substantial raise to come back to YEI and then eventually promising him $1 million just to leave Tallahassee. Curtis shared this hush-money offer with several of his FDOT co-workers, including Georgalis. When he called Cohen one night to find out what was going on, Cohen purportedly admitted to YEI's illegal activities and then threatened Curtis's life.

One of the crimes Cohen mentioned was overbilling FDOT on their contract. Georgalis had previously discovered Yang was overbilling them, and when she raised the issue, Feeney's name and political influence was used by YEI to intimidate her. Curtis looked into the billing himself and found that all of his hours worked at YEI had been billed to FDOT, even though he was working on several Yang contracts. YEI had even billed for Curtis for a couple days after he resigned.[6]

Together, Curtis and Georgalis filed a report with Ray Lemme, an investigator in the FDOT Inspector General office. Their complaints regarding YEI included overbilling, improper political influence from Feeney (through Georgalis's supervisor Nelson Hill), and the employment of illegal aliens.[6] Curtis told Lemme about everything that had occurred at Yang, including the vote rigging software Feeney had requested. Lemme recorded all of their testimony, but in his official IG report, only mentioned the issues pertaining to FDOT.[1]

Soon after filing the report, Nelson Hill again began harassing Georgalis. Curtis, meanwhile, became frustrated at the IG office's inaction, and asked FDOT IG Cecil Bragg why they weren't investigating. FDOT responded the next day by firing Curtis, Georgalis, and half a dozen other employees familiar with the Yang contract.[8]

Curtis and Georgalis both filed whistleblower suits against FDOT. Georgalis succeeded and was reinstated to her job, but Curtis missed the filing deadline.[1] He attempted to get another programming job, but nobody was willing to hire him, likely because of poor recommendations from YEI and FDOT. As a result, Curtis was forced to take a low-wage job at the dollar store instead.

One day, Curtis recalled Ray Lemme walking up to him at the store. Lemme told Curtis he was just stopping by, but he returned on several following dates to interview Curtis about his YEI allegations, including the spies and vote rigging software. While he didn't reveal much, Lemme let on that he was unofficially working the Yang case on the side. He made it known to Curtis that the YEI matter was far bigger than it seemed.[9]


In June 2003, Lemme ecstatically told Curtis about his progress. He said he had tracked the corruption "all the way to the top", that the story would break in a few weeks, and that Curtis would be thrilled. A few weeks later, on July 1, Lemme turned up dead in a Valdosta GA motel room.[1]

Ray Lemme's death

Why did Ray Lemme die, and what was he doing in Georgia? Lemme was found dead in his room after he failed to check out and motel staff called the police. He was slumped dead in the bathtub, with cuts on his arm, blood in the tub, bloody razors, and a suicide note in the room. The official Valdosta Police Department (VPD) explanation was that he had committed suicide. At first glance, this seems reasonable. But in reality, it doesn't add up.

To start with, there was little reason for Lemme to pick the place and suicide method he did. Lemme lived in Tallahassee FL, and there was no reason for him to drive all the way to Valdosta GA to commit suicide. Numerous other motels were available along the way, but he supposedly picked a seedy backwoods motel more than an hour's drive away. Cutting oneself is also a painful and uncommon method, and it makes even less sense given that Lemme was a gun enthusiast.[10]

Nor is the "suicide" theory conclusive. As can be seen in police photos, Ray Lemme had noticeable bruising on his neck indicating strangulation. Did police make any note of this? In their 2003 report, they said that there were no signs of foul play. They also claimed that the camera memory cards had malfunctioned, and there wouldn't be any photos in the report. In 2005, these "nonexistent" photos were leaked by a VPD insider and published online.[11]

Whether Lemme was even depressed at all is questionable. Lemme was looking forward to his daughter's marriage, and discussed her with Curtis each time they met.[9] In terms of Lemme's job, he certainly seemed enthusiastic about the case he was working on, and he had recently received an award from the FDOT Inspector General office.[12] The main person claiming Lemme was depressed was his boss Bob Clift, who was adamant Lemme suffered from deep depression. This pronouncement shocked Lemme's co-workers and brother, whose portrait of Lemme did not at all match Clift's.[13]

His suicide note, meanwhile, didn't even mention his daughter by name. This would be completely out-of-character for someone who (as established above) was doting on her and looking forward to her wedding.


One other reason the police concluded Lemme had committed suicide was that the motel room door was latched from the inside. Motel workers couldn't get the door open, which precipitated the call to police. The police argued that a hypothetical killer couldn't have left the room and latched the door. But Curtis personally visited the exact room Lemme was found in and successfully latched the door from the outside using fishing line. So the police clearly didn't even try to falsify their theory.[14]

In fact, the police never even verified that Lemme had checked into the motel to begin with. No witness reported seeing Lemme, the police never showed a picture of him to motel staff, and Curtis found that it was easy to check in with a false name due to a lack of ID verification. So it's entirely possible that Lemme himself never checked in to begin with.[15]

The timing for Lemme's motel stay is where things get really weird. Police found two motel receipts: an unsigned receipt from 6:44 PM on June 29 with the room number and charges, and a signed receipt from 6:54 AM on June 30. They identified them as check-in and check-out receipts, respectively.[13] Yet Lemme's wife[16] and Bob Clift[17] both reported that Lemme was in Tallahassee as late as the early morning of June 30. He couldn't possibly have checked in on June 29.


VPD officers said this discrepancy was due to an error with the motel's computer system. They didn't, however, check with Lemme's credit card company to verify that.[12] And furthermore, how could there be a check-out receipt when the police were called because Lemme hadn't checked out yet?[18]

Maybe instead, the receipts were reservation and check-in receipts. That would make more sense. Let's forgive the police's oversight of the obvious fact that it couldn't have been a check-out receipt. They still place Lemme in Valdosta at 6:54 AM on June 30. Does that work with the timeline? Motel employee Sabita Villait said that Lemme had checked in early on June 30. It's unclear whether she meant early morning or early evening, but if it's the former, that would fit.[18]

Mrs. Lemme swore that Lemme left for work on June 30 at 5:15 AM.[16] Bob Clift swore that Lemme called him at 6:20 AM on June 30, saying he wasn't coming into work that day.[17] The call was made from a payphone at the "Pay Fast Track" found on the intersection of Highway 19 and Interstate 10 in Jefferson County FL.[13] To get from that payphone to the Valdosta motel (a 48.3-mile distance) in 34 minutes would require maintaining an average speed of 85 MPH.[19] This is significantly above the speed limit in both Florida and Georgia, and yet he was apparently never ticketed or stopped.

While not impossible, it's highly unlikely that Lemme did that. Which leaves three main possibilities:
* Bob Clift lied in his sworn affidavit about the Lemme phone call
* The call was real, and the motel receipt is wrong
* Someone else was at the motel on June 30 at 6:54 AM under Lemme's name

Did the VPD investigators do anything to look into these timeline discrepancies? They never (to my knowledge) subpoenaed phone records to verify the call Bob Clift alleged, never asked the credit card company to see when Lemme checked in, and never even made sure Lemme was the person who had checked in.

The police report did contain one witness report that might have helped resolve the issue: Michael Davis, another motel guest, told police that he had seen Lemme's car parked near room #132 since 3:30 PM on "Sunday afternoon (June 30, 2003)". Just one problem: Sunday was actually June 29. So it's impossible to know which day the police are referring to in their report. How convenient.[18]

In late 2004, when Curtis made his entire story public, Internet interest caused the VPD to briefly reopen the case. However, it was immediately closed after talking to someone at FDOT. They never revealed who that person was, or why the words of someone at the Florida Department of Transporation caused an investigation in Valdosta GA to be closed. Brad Friedman, a journalist inquiring on this issue, was assured several times by the VPD that he wasn't being stonewalled, and then they never called him back.[12]

So what can we conclude from all this? There's no definite proof that Ray Lemme was murdered, but there's a fair amount of circumstantial evidence for it. It's clear that at the very least, the VPD failed to rule it out. Enough issues exist with the suicide theory to raise serious questions. None of these irregularities were seriously considered by the Valdosta police. They rushed to classify it as a suicide as quickly as possible, never did an autopsy on Lemme (which would have been mandatory if he died in Florida), and avoided pursuing potential leads that might have disproven the suicide theory.

At best, the VPD conducted a sloppy investigation to force a particular conclusion. At worst, they intentionally covered up a murder.


Clint Curtis clearly stumbled onto something serious, involving high-level political corruption, Chinese espionage, and vote rigging. The fate of Ray Lemme, the investigator of Curtis's allegations, only makes that more clear. We may never know exactly what Ray Lemme came across that made him say he had tracked the corruption "all the way to the top". But it certainly appears serious enough to murder him over it.





[4] (MSVL part 2)

[5] (MSVL part 1)

[6] (MSVL part 3)


[8] (MSVL part 4)

[9] (MSVL part 6)











Posted on 04-03-17 04:31 PM Link | #82282
If this is true... idk what to think.



Posted on 04-03-17 04:35 PM Link | #82283
Posted by natnew
If this is true... idk what to think.

It is all true. It's backed up by public record, including police reports. I've also found this incredibly disconcerting.

Posted on 04-08-17 02:12 PM Link | #82411
Based on some newly-gathered evidence, it appears almost certain that someone else checked into the motel under Ray Lemme's name. I received the documents for the missing persons case in Florida, which mention the Bob Clift phone call:

I later had dispatch to use the TAC Center to map the 997-3845 number and had it come back to a "Pay Fast Track" on US 19. This was a pay phone and the call was made at 0619 hrs.

Bob Clift reported the phone call as occurring at 6:20 AM. The missing persons incident report gave the more precise time of 6:19 AM. There's virtually no way they could have gotten that without looking at phone records. So the Clift phone call is real, leaving only two possibilities: the motel receipt dates are wrong or somebody else was pretending to be Ray Lemme at 6:54 AM on June 30.

Michael Davis said that Lemme's car was at the motel since 3:30 PM on "Sunday afternoon (June 30, 2003)". As stated above, it's impossible to know which day he meant. But June 29 and June 30 are the only reasonable possibilities. Let's break them down:

* June 29: Ray Lemme was at the motel a day before his wife reported him missing from Tallahassee? Either his wife is lying or someone else was acting as Ray Lemme.

* June 30: The car was parked outside his room at 3:30 PM, so Lemme probably checked into the motel earlier. That would appear to confirm the 6:54 AM on June 30 receipt date. And in that case, since the Clift phone call is real, Lemme couldn't have been at the motel at 6:54 AM. Someone else was pretending to be him.

Either way you slice it, Lemme's wife is lying or (more likely) someone else checked in under Lemme's name.

Posted on 09-21-17 07:35 PM Link | #89392
I thought it'd be good to update this thread with the work I've done since posting it. Here's a wiki article that I wrote summarizing Ray Lemme's life and suspicious death. The intro:

Ray Lemme was a Florida investigator who died suspiciously after investigating Clint Curtis's allegations concerning Yang Enterprises and Tom Feeney. After serving in the Air Force in Vietnam, he became an investigator that helped oversee several state agencies over the course of his career. He worked in the Comptroller's Office and Department of Health and Rehabilitative Services (HRS) during the 1980s and 90s. Afterwards, Lemme came to work as an investigator in the Florida Department of Transportation's Inspector General office.

While there, Clint Curtis and Mavis Georgalis blew the whistle to him about illegal activities at Yang. Initially dismissive of the allegations, Lemme had a change of heart and investigated them outside of the official purview of his bosses. Lemme told Curtis in mid-June of 2003 that he had cracked the case and would break the story soon. A couple weeks later, he was found dead in a Valdosta GA motel room. His death was ruled a suicide by the Valdosta Police Department, but a closer look reveals a shoddy investigation that potentially covered up murder. Most egregiously, Lemme had severe bruising on his neck indicative of assault, which the VPD left out of their report and hid by pretending their crime scene photographs didn't exist.

Even more important is the fact that I was able to track down and interview a witness who was there at the motel back in 2003: the Knights Inn employee who cleaned up Lemme's blood. I transcribed two interviews with him in this document.

Gamer Boy
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