'freedom of speech' is the card fascists pull when people dislike the hate speech they're spouting. however, they have no problem going to any length to shut up speech they don't like. people have already been murdered for verbally opposing fascists.

another recurring theme is police siding with fascists. example (that actually happened in USA), if a fascist shoots an antifa protester, they can pull the self-defense card and basically get away with it. but should an antifa shoot a fascist, you can be sure they'll be charged with murder regardless of the circumstances.


that being said, don't let trolls and other fascist shitbags affect you too much. GBAtemp has always been a shithole.

but you can be sure that if someone comes here to spout fascist crap, they'll find themselves kicked out pretty quick.

(I'm actually tolerant and willing to debate with someone who can show they have some brain cells, but people like superkingboo just, well, get banned, you can't do anything else anyway)


one could argue that telling someone to kill themselves is pretty bad, but as far as a fascist dickbag is concerned, I don't give a shit. if their expressions of hate are free speech, then our reactions are free speech too, I don't see why free speech wouldn't work both ways.

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So if I wanted to go around saying that, for example, Jews belong in the ovens, I should be allowed to do so without consequence, because "it's just words"?

And I could even tell people to go and kill their local Jew, because "it's just words"?


And, as I described in my previous post, the fascists aren't advocating for free speech. They're using it as an excuse to say whatever they like, but they have no qualms with shutting up other discourse they don't like.

A prime example is the """"""Free Speech Bus"""""". They basically went around telling people how they should live ("you can't change sex, you must respect that" (somehow not respecting that is a lack of respect to others)). Is that what free speech is about? Would you appreciate having random strangers dictate how you should live?


And since you mention France, we also have nice examples of police going after antifa while protecting fascists. Police clearly have a side, and that seems to be a recurrent theme over the world along with the rise of fascism.

A good example would be how the "Manif pour Tous" (demonstration against gay marriage and generally LGBTphobic) was protected by police, while any demonstrations against the COP21 show were banned ("we don't have enough police to protect you from the terrorist menace" but we sure have enough police to repress you if you try marching anyway, funny that).


So basically, it's more than words.

If you see fascists/alt-right/whatever advocating for "free speech", what they really mean is "ability to spout our hate speech without facing opposition".

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"Well, I see the consequence for making horrible statements is peer disapproval, not so much the state stepping in."

That, I can sorta agree with.


Oh and hey, want more fun fascist stories? Something that happened in Marseille, where an antifa was attacked and stabbed by fascists. What immediately followed is that police protected the fascists' meeting room from potential riots.

One could say that doing so is enforcing the law, but you can be sure that if a fascist got attacked by antifa, any related antifa/anarchist/whatever meeting rooms would be raided under murder investigation.


There are many more. Police protecting fascists isn't a rare occurence.

Hell, similar things even happen in the town I live in. A local political/cultural squat was attacked by aggressive dickbags (not fascists per se, but not any better) for a bullshit reason a while ago. Police took like three hours to come.

In the end, nobody was injured, only minor damage was inflicted to the building. They didn't count on the police to protect themselves. A thing that helped a lot was that the squat was heavily blockaded to resist upcoming eviction.


So, yeah. We need to confront fascism as it is rising and police is visibly siding with it.

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Posted by StarTrekVoyager

Actually the police in France isn't that bad. Of course, especially in the South, there can be some bullshit, but still. Here in Paris, far-left/anarchists often come at syndicalists' demonstrations to make things fuck up, and the worst is that it makes police officers be more severe with syndicates demos in general, because of shitbags always going there. One of these anarchists shitbags tried to burn a cop. Litterally. And some idiots on Twitter then joked avbout "fried chicken".

@StapleButter Well, there's a difference. In 2013, Hollande govt. was trying to make the same-sex marriage law pass at the Parliament. If the police had been "not kind" with LMPT, the letter would've used this argument and claimed censordhip. About COP21, this happened after the Emergency State was declared. So the cops had more right. And honestly, I think that having ecological extremists shouting around wouldn't have helped China and the US to sign Paris treaty And there were still a lot of arrests during LMPT. During the demos against the Labour law, where a lot of far-lefties and anarchists and even syndicalists injured police officers and broke into shops, alt-right said "you let them do that, and you didn't let LMPT do anything".

That's the typical police/state propaganda, which mainstream media always parrot without doing any actual journalism.

I'm not going to get into debates about whether violence is good or bad or useful or not, or who started it all. I'm not into "violence" at all costs.

But be aware that the other side of this, which mainstream media never talk about, is quite dire. The effects of police violence on demonstrators can be pretty bad, and is sometimes uncalled for.

And the forms of violence aren't comparable. On one side, they throw rocks at cops in riot gear, there are rare occurences of molotov cocktails, and they smash things that are symbols of capitalism (banks, ads, etc). On the other side, cops don't hesitate to shoot tear gas canisters or concussion grenades straight into protesters (which is forbidden), attack and arrest street medics, etc... and the violence doesn't come only from the police but also from the justice apparel that's behind. People have spent months detained because they were assumed to be part of an incendiary attack against a police car, but in the end they were released because the State was unable to come up with evidence against them. It isn't rare to see people get picked for being known militants rather than from actual evidence, like in my place where a known non-violent protester was arrested and charged for "beating cops with an iron bar", spending one month detained for a bullshit reason.

You can read all sorts fun stories about the May protests in Paris, on sites like Paris-luttes.info. A nice example: people (including non-militant people) get kettled on a large stair leading to an opera. Police keep shooting tear gas, pushing them higher and higher. Eventually, a 60 year old lady falls from the stair, 6 meters. Street medics rush to take care of her. Riot cops force them away with their maces. When media are told about the scene, they, surprise, don't give a shit. There's even this quote that shows their humanity well: "if it's not something burning, I don't give a shit".

So again, this isn't meant to excuse anything from protesters, but to let you know that the official reports are, well, biased.

Or outright lies. The COP21 protests that were violently repressed were non-violent. Homage flowers and shit were destroyed by riot police, only for the mainstream media to claim the protesters did it, as a means of giving them a worse image.

It's like when they pretended that protesters attacked the Necker hospital. Bull-fucking-shit. The hospital was damaged but it was minor. It isn't sure who did it or how it happened (there are multiple versions floating around, but whoever did it was told off), but videos of that event make it clear that during the whole time, the target was the riot cops near the hospital.


"If the police had been "not kind" with LMPT, the letter would've used this argument and claimed censordhip. About COP21, this happened after the Emergency State was declared. So the cops had more right."

I don't see what's your point there. Shutting up the COP21 protests was censorship too.

By the way, Hollande even admitted that he used state of emergency to shut up COP21 protests. State of emergency wasn't very good at its intended purpose (stopping terrorism), btw.

"And honestly, I think that having ecological extremists shouting around wouldn't have helped China and the US to sign Paris treaty "

Perhaps. Not that the Paris treaty is much use anyway. They give us global warming limits that must not be crossed, but nothing is done to ensure they won't be. Given how dire the situation is getting (permafrost meltdown causes a lot of trapped methane to be released, which accelerates the process into a vicious cycle), we should stop burning coal and oil right now. But that's not happening anytime soon. Sure, electric cars are being developed, but it'll be of little use if the power from coal power plants. Also, most of the 'efforts' you can see are greenwashing. No matter how hard you try, capitalism and ecology are mutually exclusive. Unless drastic and immediate change happens, prepare to live into a ruined world.

"During the demos against the Labour law, where a lot of far-lefties and anarchists and even syndicalists injured police officers and broke into shops, alt-right said "you let them do that, and you didn't let LMPT do anything"

Funny that. I haven't followed the 'Manif pour Tous' closely though, so can't say a lot about it.


Anyway, further debate should be taken to a specialized thread, like the 'shit's going down' thread

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Which, in Europe and in a vast majority of countries in the world, is the exact equivalent of a middle finger. And yet fascist douchebags and "freedom of speech defenders" (LMAO) like Saiyan Lusitano complain and claim this is censorship. Like, what? MK8D IS A FREAKING ERSB E/PEGI 3 GAME. If they didn't remove that, they could've been sued by angry parents or something. These shitbags don't even want to understand that it plainly means "fuck you".

I can understand the censorship, but hey, it's all Nintendo covering their asses.

Regarding children, I believe that educating them gives better results than trying to "protect" them by keeping them into ignorance. Kind of like explaining them about badwords and why you don't spout them at random, rather than keeping them behind badword filters.

But evidently not everybody shares that view, so...

Whatever. Petty censorship isn't something I care about much.

Unless it gets really dumb. Like that article I found about the blue waffle once, where they had censored every occurence of 'vagina'. I find self-censoring dumb (either say a badword openly or don't say it at all, but self-censoring is like spouting beeps instead of badwords when talking IRL), but in that case... if you're going to make an article about a fucking vagina ailment, your readers know what to expect and nobody will get offended at the word 'vagina'. Not to mention how easily the word is guessed -- the censoring achieves nothing.

(archive of the article in question. handle with care. no gross pics though, as it's brought to you by a team of prudes.)

(edit- apparently the article is a copypasta, you can find uncensored versions of it by googling parts)

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Posted by Swingball

Also besides getting a few nice PM's, here n' there, what are also the benefits of posting a lot, but staying meaningful?

... what

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there is no benefit to posting in quantity.


in the old days, you could get syndromes for doing so, but the feature wasn't reimplemented into this board.

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