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NintendoFan
Posted on 09-24-16 07:36 AM Link | #77917
Well, it's not like saying both words the same way makes it any better. In fact, I think "finite" pronounced that way sounds worse.

And, well, you could pronounce "archive" a different way if it bothers you that much.

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cros107
Posted on 09-24-16 01:53 PM Link | #77922
I don't actually understand why everything is so stupid though. Whose fucked up idea was it to use 2 random letters in place of an ALREADY ESTABLISHED LETTER, eg. phone.

I don't understand how it would even cross your mind to spell it like that.

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Arisotura
Posted on 09-24-16 01:58 PM (rev. 2 of 09-24-16 01:59 PM) Link | #77923
this is absolutely phun.


also, dunno about English and other languages, but French has a lot of exceptions and shit that pretty much only exist to make it sound nicer. I find it interesting that language aesthetics were valued over simplicity.

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PixelDimension
Posted on 09-24-16 02:17 PM Link | #77924
Posted by cros107
I don't actually understand why everything is so stupid though. Whose fucked up idea was it to use 2 random letters in place of an ALREADY ESTABLISHED LETTER, eg. phone.

I don't understand how it would even cross your mind to spell it like that.


"ph" is Greek in origin.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-24-16 06:59 PM Link | #77930
why do people use a euphemism for "sex" for every humping thing

cros107
Posted on 09-24-16 08:25 PM Link | #77940
Posted by PixelDimension
"ph" is Greek in origin.


The "F" sound in Greek is φ. Dunno where you got that info from.

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PixelDimension
Posted on 09-24-16 09:42 PM Link | #77950
Posted by cros107
The "F" sound in Greek is φ. Dunno where you got that info from.


Phillip, Pharaoh, Physics, and many other words are all Greek in origin, and they all contained the Greek letter φ. In Classical Greek this was pronounced as an aspirated [pʰ], which the Romans wrote as ph in Latin when they borrowed words from Greek. (This is also how they used the letter y and why they called it "i graeca" - literally "greek i".) Later the pronunciation became "f" and this spelling and pronunciation passed into French and then into English.

Yoshimaster96
Posted on 09-26-16 10:27 PM Link | #78009
I actually started to make my own language once, but never really got far... -_-

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MusiMasta
Posted on 09-27-16 01:30 AM Link | #78014
Me too, making pretend languages is fun. Like when I was kid I made my own language with squeaks and ahs for my stuffed animals.

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Yami
Posted on 09-27-16 01:12 PM Link | #78021
Also, there are many endangered languages on this planet also.
Like Ainu, for example, a Japanese minority language, entirely written in Katakana.
Although it's quite interesting to see it in its written form, almost nobody speaks it anymore.
More on it: Oh, it apparently had only 10 speakers left, back in 2007, it's really sad...

MusiMasta
Posted on 09-27-16 03:09 PM Link | #78022
Yeah there are a lot of those endangered languages, 1 of them die every !4 days. Mostly it's because the people that speak it die out and their children aren't educated on the language as it won't have too much impact on their economic future. They do preserve culture and stuff, but once again, with the race for money, everything else is lost.

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Arisotura
Posted on 09-27-16 05:58 PM Link | #78023
it's not just that. speaking a language spoken by a larger community gives you more possibilities. and in turn, you'll want your children to learn that language so they have more chances of success. and so on.

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Super-toad 65
Posted on 09-27-16 06:13 PM Link | #78024
ugh.

i study english and french at school. English is probably my best subject, but french -.- it't annoying, difficult and full of stuff. "oh wait it's similar to italian"... and then i discovered it's difficult. As i know, spanish is better, but i had no choice

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Arisotura
Posted on 09-27-16 07:22 PM (rev. 2 of 09-27-16 07:25 PM) Link | #78026
French is my native language so it seems natural to me, but I agree, it must be difficult to master. Those billion tenses, those billion exceptions that only exist to make it sound nicer...

I had Spanish class for a while and was never too good. Well, I had no real incentive to learn the language either, I put my energy into more important classes (or in reality, into slacking off).


The way French grammar is taught at school is also, ugh, terrible.

They should teach it progressively, not overcomplicate it with fancy terms, and put an emphasis on practicing so it becomes natural.

Instead, it's a huge mess that makes kids associate proper grammar/spelling with "constant headache". Hence the sadly common phrase "this is not school, I can write however I want". This phrase shouldn't be a thing. Proper grammar/spelling shouldn't be associated to school pressure.

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Super-toad 65
Posted on 09-27-16 07:33 PM Link | #78028
Also, pronunciation and writing are sightly different in french (but something in english too), for example, a word ending with "e", that letter is completely ignored.

According to italian pronunciation, it's all equal, and i don't understand why people speak it that hard.

But we still have stuff like all verbal forms different, while on most of the english verbs there is a unique form except for 3rd person.

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PixelDimension
Posted on 09-27-16 09:50 PM Link | #78034
The reason English is problematic is that the written form of the language is over 500 years old - very outdated.

Causing things like these 6 words to not even be close to rhyming:
cough ("coff")
rough ("ruff")
though ("tho")
through ("thru")
ought ("ot")
borough ("buhro")

Or "debt" sounding like "det"
or "island" sounding like "iland"

or the horror that is "colonel" sounding like "krnl" (English speakers, at least where I live, have a habit of dropping vowels)

Here's why this happens:
The word "laugh" is pronounced "laff".

Back when the spelling system for English was created, it was pronounced more like "logkh", so that spelling made sense. Over time, the pronunciation shifted (which happens in any language), but I guess people were very stubborn at that time because the spelling didn't, leaving us with our nonsensical spellings.

Posted by Super-toad 65
Also, pronunciation and writing are sightly different in french (but something in english too), for example, a word ending with "e", that letter is completely ignored.

According to italian pronunciation, it's all equal, and i don't understand why people speak it that hard.

But we still have stuff like all verbal forms different, while on most of the english verbs there is a unique form except for 3rd person.


English verb forms in the PRESENT TENSE (Present tense verbs are one of the only consistent things in the English language. The only irregular present-tense verb I can think of is "to be".

1st person singular - walk
1st person plural - walk
2nd person singular+plural (identical in English - no difference between singular and plural "you") - walk
3rd person singular - walks
3rd person plural - walk

That "s" there is the last surviving piece of a once much more complicated verb system similar to that of German. You can still see other pieces of this in the pronouns - "he" is used if that person is the subject of a sentence, "him" if that person is the object, "his" for possessive, etc.

Words ending with E:
It is not pronounced, but usually changes the other vowel sound in the word (however, as with nearly everything in English, there are some exceptions)

For example, the words mad and made - the e in "made" is not pronounced at all, but the a is pronounced differently in each.




Super-toad 65
Posted on 09-28-16 12:30 PM Link | #78049
And even derp.

If i transport "laugh"'s pronunciation it sould be the seguent:

Lof.

And yes, wowels in english are a bit confusing -.-

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Yoshimaster96
Posted on 09-29-16 09:06 PM Link | #78081
Some words in Japanese are exceptions as well (albeit far fewer):

A famous example is いい/よい (good, adj.), or the conjugations for the verb する (to do, used to make some nouns into the verbs associated with said nouns).

However, there are VERY few exceptions, which memorization of these exceptions easy. Plus, the kanji in Japanese is MUCH more difficult than these exceptions, at least to me.

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