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Arisotura
Posted on 04-12-16 08:11 PM Link | #69725
reminds me of this morning


I get a message from my new phone operator because a payment didn't go through, I try to quickly access their site from mobile to do that payment manually

"your shit is secure because this is https"

and it was fucking HTTP


trying again at univ, the same page on a desktop was https, no problem

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 04-12-16 11:58 PM Link | #69730
What do you think caused that weird ass bug?

Arisotura
Posted on 04-13-16 12:01 AM Link | #69731
likely crappy mobile coding, but who knows


either way, I'm not submitting my credit card number to a HTTP page, even if it's from a legit site

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Anthe
Posted on 04-13-16 12:39 PM Link | #69737
Posted by StapleButter
you should use JS when it helps make the page better, that's all

I have a web-app kind of thing where it was just very annoying that every time you visited a different page, the screen would go blank and load the page over. It didn't look very good. Now I load in the navigational elements and put in content using xhr. When changing pages it just empties a specific div, shows the loading animation and substitutes it with new content. Very smooth and pretty.

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Arisotura
Posted on 04-13-16 04:05 PM Link | #69738
The browser handles loading pages and switching between them, but also more than that. History, saving the scroll position on a page before leaving it, caching things like what you had entered in forms so you can go back to it, and more.

You're trashing all of that just to make it look 'cool' when you load pages.


Sacrificing usability for "looking good" is not good design.

I'd rather use something that isn't really pretty but functional and usable, than something that looks pretty but can be frustrating and infuriating to use due to bad design decisions.


However, if you're able to combine pretty and usable, bonus points. But that doesn't change my stance on the "reproduce the browser's functionality in JS" trend. Even if done properly (which is rare), it's a lot of bloat for mostly nothing.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 04-16-16 12:53 AM Link | #69771
Does anyone support the trend to be "simplistic" and/or "sleek" in the websites? I don't. I'd cringe if I saw something like quackwatch become "modern". Oh, and they try pandering to mobile support, and it never ever looks good. Case study: Los Angeles Times website.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 04-17-16 01:36 AM Link | #69802
Isn't it a bit ironic that the simplistic look doesn't mean simplistic coding and therefore you get atrocious load times?

Arisotura
Posted on 05-05-16 01:28 AM Link | #70370
fucking autoplaying videos even if they're silent


what tells you that I'm not browsing from a metered connection? desktop doesn't always mean unlimited internet, morons


similarly, autoplaying videos that are silent but start blaring sound when you hover over them. Whoever designs such crap needs to die in a fire.

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Anthe
Posted on 05-05-16 10:28 AM Link | #70373
Posted by StapleButter
The browser handles loading pages and switching between them, but also more than that. History, saving the scroll position on a page before leaving it, caching things like what you had entered in forms so you can go back to it, and more.

Browser history, scroll position and caching all work on my site, along with new stuff like notifications and live tiles.

Animations make it clear to the user when something is loading (whereas before you had to wait - if the screen blanked out it meant it was at least doing something). Spinning wheels keep users busy during load times (which on our school network can be very, very long). I couldn't do any of this without 'reinventing' the page loading in Javascript.

It might come over as bloat, but my users actually enjoy the new all-Javascript way more than the old version. Not all websites need an approach like this, but for my product it works wonderfully.

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Arisotura
Posted on 05-05-16 11:39 AM Link | #70374
Meh. It's still a ton of bloat (nearly recoding the whole browser) just for a little fancy visual effect. Not worth it.


Not to mention the fact of requiring Javascript for the site to work at all. Many people disable it to avoid infections or annoyances like autoplaying video players.

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Yami
Posted on 05-05-16 07:30 PM Link | #70384
I generally oppose the use of JavaScript, unless it's necessary.
Browser effects can be achieved with CSS3 as well these days, so you don't need JavaScript for that...mostly.

Arisotura
Posted on 05-05-16 09:38 PM Link | #70386
'stunning visual effects' and that crap are for children

real users much prefer a website that is straightforward and works and doesn't suffer from a billion bugs and annoyances because some hipster tried to reinvent the browser in JS


also, those goddamn comment sections on certain pages: like, there are 7 comments, and it shows 5 and a "load more comments" button

WHY

and this is crappy manual infinite scrolling, too

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Baby Luigi
Posted on 05-06-16 06:36 PM Link | #70408
At MarioWiki, there is a proposal to call use of Javascript to embed videos on the glitches page in the mainspace.

I don't support that because one, even if the videos are rendered in HTML5, it'll still cause loading misery. Two, I believe that's unecessary use of Javascript. And three, external linking via references works fine, so there's no need to embed videos on the page itself.

Arisotura
Posted on 05-06-16 06:47 PM Link | #70414
can I get in and vote no

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Baby Luigi
Posted on 05-06-16 06:49 PM Link | #70417
lol

well it's here for reference

Arisotura
Posted on 05-06-16 06:58 PM Link | #70421
it's better to link them either way, too much embeds causes massive lag


this is why this board limits it to 3 embeds per post

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Yami
Posted on 05-06-16 08:50 PM Link | #70449
Posted by Baby Luigi
At MarioWiki, there is a proposal to call use of Javascript to embed videos on the glitches page in the mainspace.

I don't support that because one, even if the videos are rendered in HTML5, it'll still cause loading misery. Two, I believe that's unecessary use of Javascript. And three, external linking via references works fine, so there's no need to embed videos on the page itself.

Not sure if it's still possible on MarioBoards, but back when I were there, you could set PHP Files as your Avatar.
Back then, I wasn't aware of the risks yet, but now I can safely say, it's a very high risk.

I mean, it only takes to include a Cookie Theft JavaScript File into a PHP File, and Link to it.
And bam! You can Login as anyone, if you modify your Cookies!

However, I'm not sure whether SMF uses HTTP-Only Cookies or not.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 05-06-16 09:10 PM (rev. 2 of 05-06-16 09:10 PM) Link | #70454
Posted by Yami
Not sure if it's still possible on MarioBoards, but back when I were there, you could set PHP Files as your Avatar.
Back then, I wasn't aware of the risks yet, but now I can safely say, it's a very high risk.

I mean, it only takes to include a Cookie Theft JavaScript File into a PHP File, and Link to it.
And bam! You can Login as anyone, if you modify your Cookies!

However, I'm not sure whether SMF uses HTTP-Only Cookies or not.


I know a user there sets his avatars to be set on certain threads (Lakituthequick). Like, in a thread about the weather, he has his avatar holding an umbrella; a Mario Kart-thread shows his avatar driving a go-kart; a thread that talks about how stupid Miiverse is has his avatar face-palming, etc.

I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about but it stands out to me, since you normally can't do that with the functions in those boards.

Arisotura
Posted on 05-06-16 09:13 PM Link | #70457
Posted by Yami
Not sure if it's still possible on MarioBoards, but back when I were there, you could set PHP Files as your Avatar.
Back then, I wasn't aware of the risks yet, but now I can safely say, it's a very high risk.

I mean, it only takes to include a Cookie Theft JavaScript File into a PHP File, and Link to it.
And bam! You can Login as anyone, if you modify your Cookies!

that wouldn't work if the avatar is embedded as a <img> tag

well, it can work, but only under IE6

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Yami
Posted on 05-06-16 09:52 PM Link | #70463
Posted by Baby Luigi
I know a user there sets his avatars to be set on certain threads (Lakituthequick). Like, in a thread about the weather, he has his avatar holding an umbrella; a Mario Kart-thread shows his avatar driving a go-kart; a thread that talks about how stupid Miiverse is has his avatar face-palming, etc.

I'm not sure if that's what you're talking about but it stands out to me, since you normally can't do that with the functions in those boards.

No, that's not what I mean, but it's a nice one to do.

Posted by StapleButter
that wouldn't work if the avatar is embedded as a <img> tag

well, it can work, but only under IE6

Oh, I see now.
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