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GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 722/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
bair and uair are always stronger than most character's other attacks.
I'll admit to being a tad scared of b-reversed waterball + bites and counter follow ups, but they're pretty easy to bait and avoid/counter. ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
salty |
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Level: 84 Posts: 569/2041 EXP: 5615217 Next: 46735 Since: 03-02-14 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Last post: 430 days ago Last view: 3 days ago |
Wait, there's tiers for characters that were released a few days ago!?
Why!? We don't even know any of the character's full potential! ____________________ discord: salty#1212 photobucke­t |
gridatttack |
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Giant Red Paratroopa K64 RPG Overlord Level: 73 Posts: 1099/1416 EXP: 3484128 Next: 1740 Since: 08-11-12 From: El Salvador Last post: 1073 days ago Last view: 1067 days ago |
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GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 723/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
SmashBoards, /r/crazyhand / /r/smashbros, and EventHubs are the only sites anyone cares about for competitive Smash.
What tier list do you check? ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
Timmy |
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Normal user Level: 27 Posts: 138/146 EXP: 112004 Next: 4155 Since: 04-13-13 From: Canada, Laval, Quebec Last post: 2845 days ago Last view: 2217 days ago |
Posted by GreenThunder1337 EHubs are never accurate, they put together their own tier lists but aren't established well. The way they rate MUs is really stupid, people just vote on if the MU is rated X% in his/her favor or the opponent's. But there is literally NO explanation as to why the MU rated X:Y in this character's favor. And I can tell that looking at Ness' MU spread there it is so inaccurate lol Smashboards on the other hand actually gives data as to their methods and with MU analyzes, there's actual legit info being said with MU discussions. -- And like grid said, you can't establish a solid MU analysis (or really any analysis at all) for a character who's only been out for a short time. I also can't agree that Corrin has issues KOing (and comparing it to Sheik's is silly lol). Bair is safe on shield (also lets her retract) and provides a nice angle for edgeguarding. Uair is nicely disjointed (ALSO PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THIS SO THEY WILL AIRDODGE AND YOU BAIT THAT), D-Tilt will set up foes nicely for a Uair/Bair AND she has not one, but 2 KO Throws (140% ain't too bad for U-Throw/D-Throw; U-Throw is less DIable and is generally better but D-Throw KOs better if she has rage due to knockback growth). Don't forget her Dragon Lunge (not necessarily the part that stabs you) for KOing, the early hitbox of her kick (after it's pinned to the ground) is pretty damn strong AND can cover many options on the ledge/platforms with that move alone and still be safe. Her Up-B OoS is also a nice "GTFO" option and KO if the foe overcommits. And you don't just throw out her Smashes like that lol, you use it to cover the landing (mainly when the foe doesn't have a jump). I've baited so many landings and got a tipper on her F-Smash lol. -- Hm, Sheik on the other hand... - Fair will be VERY stale cause of its quick utility. It will KO at like... 160% at the ledge. Maybe 140% if she reads bad DI from her grab. - Vanish is usually for the D-Throw > Airdodge read which KOs fairly early but it's a 50-50. - Uair KOs fairly late (at like 150%). And this is usually for when she expects the opponent to counter attack from D-Throw so it's better to get hit by Uair than Vanish lol - U-Smash is her best option overall but the sweetspot is kinda tough to land. But I usually don't find myself above her so lol - Bouncing Fish requires a LOT of commitment and even then I can still live past 130% against it. And her Bair was nerfed to hell rofl I always find myself living past 150% against her. ;P ____________________ Yo-YO, let's GO! The PSI Prodigy! (SSB4 Ness Combo Video!) |
gridatttack |
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Giant Red Paratroopa K64 RPG Overlord Level: 73 Posts: 1101/1416 EXP: 3484128 Next: 1740 Since: 08-11-12 From: El Salvador Last post: 1073 days ago Last view: 1067 days ago |
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GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 724/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
@saltypepper
Oh shit, you were right. I looked back at the final direct, Sakurai DID say the game was finished, and that he was going to take a 'long vacation'. @gridatttack + Timmy Wow, you guys were also right. I also reviewed top tournaments, and EH is like 'meh' on target. I still say it's a good referance point though. Have you seen Abadango's Meta Knight? He OBLITERATED Nairo! ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
salty |
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Level: 84 Posts: 572/2041 EXP: 5615217 Next: 46735 Since: 03-02-14 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Last post: 430 days ago Last view: 3 days ago |
abadango's pac-man is going to always amaze me
and make me confused as hell ____________________ discord: salty#1212 photobucke­t |
FireMario74 |
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Red Paratroopa Setting fire to the rain since 1756 Level: 29 Posts: 127/179 EXP: 132661 Next: 15224 Since: 12-02-15 From: Melty Molten Mountains Last post: 2430 days ago Last view: 2404 days ago |
My top 3 favorite smash (Wii U and 3ds) characters are:
3. Bowser. He has moves that are so much fun to use. But he's not the one I'm best with. 2. Meta Knight. He has some pretty sweet moves and if you get good enough with his sword swipes(A up and A down(when there are others players there)) then he can be pretty relentless. However like Bowser he's not the one I am best with. 1. Lucario. I'm not a big pokemon fan, but I can totally reck when I play as Lucario. I mean he's the only one I could beat the final boss(on classic mode 3ds)on the hardest level. |
GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 742/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
So there was a new update a while ago. Looks like I was right the first time lol.
So here's the down-low: - all the top tiers were nerfed - Sheik was nerfed super hard - Bayo still has her 0-deaths, and is still considered the best in the game - Corrin's counter and uair were nerfed (thank god) - Mewtwo got buffed slightly (I wanna main him so bad, but he's still too light) - Zelda's got a killer hoo-hah that kills at 80-100% (still has astronomical flaws that keep me from maining her) - Samus got her pre-patch attributes back - Link was buffed YET AGAIN (STAHP IT SAKURAI) ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
Baby Luigi |
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Baby Luigi Level: 53 Posts: 62/749 EXP: 1116323 Next: 40796 Since: 03-13-16 From: Lost in Time Last post: 1727 days ago Last view: 1721 days ago |
Jigglypuff is still the worst character in the game like lmao
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NoThisIsStupider |
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Normal user Level: 31 Posts: 170/207 EXP: 181081 Next: 4282 Since: 03-13-14 Last post: 1921 days ago Last view: 1690 days ago |
Actually, I think she is now the worst in the game, as zelda's uair might push her past jiggly on the tier list. AFAIK 90% of tier lists put zelda as worse than jiggly, but that was pre-1.1.5. ____________________ Switch on latest firm happily playing Smash daily PC with an i7-4790K, RX480, 16GB ram Various other consoles that are hardly used due to emulation existing |
Timmy |
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Normal user Level: 27 Posts: 141/146 EXP: 112004 Next: 4155 Since: 04-13-13 From: Canada, Laval, Quebec Last post: 2845 days ago Last view: 2217 days ago |
Posted by GreenThunder1337 - Top Tiers minus Rosa lol (Luma Uair & Dair have always been broken rofl) - Sheik is gonna have an even worse time trying to KO lol (but I believe F-Throw > Bouncing Fish is kind of a thing now? Either way I'm still living at like 180% vs her) - Don't forget Meta Knight's Uair strings to Shuttle Loop, similar effect with ZSS' strings - All of Corrin's aerials (in terms of damage), counter and mobility were nerfed. Counter was understandable, but making her slower doesn't make sense to me lol - Mewtwo is just as fast as Sheik now actually. Don't recall what else he got. - Cloud got hit pretty hard with a Uair nerf and also mid-air Finishing Touch was nerfed as well (KOs like 30% later). And to add what Baby Luigi said, I think Jiggs has been untouched (or had trivial changes) throughout the patches, I think throughout her MUs have just been getting worse and worse and even against nerfed characters she'd still lose pretty solidly against a majority of the cast lol. ____________________ Yo-YO, let's GO! The PSI Prodigy! (SSB4 Ness Combo Video!) |
GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 751/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
Here's something that's been bothering me for a while; Has Sm4sh successfully overthrown Melee yet? ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
Baby Luigi |
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Baby Luigi Level: 53 Posts: 79/749 EXP: 1116323 Next: 40796 Since: 03-13-16 From: Lost in Time Last post: 1727 days ago Last view: 1721 days ago |
No, there's no way it can.
It still retains some of the problems Brawl had, like the air-dodge spam, roll-dodge spam and the overall decreased lack of hitstun, and it doesn't have the fast, heavy gameplay that Melee has. Melee has a ton of crazy combos and techniques that are tough to master but very fun to learn (though I wouldn't call wavedashing fun it's just another way to break your shoulder buttons). Melee has gameplay that punishes people who screw pretty hard as well. Sm4sh may have all the characters and a bit more balance, but its competitive scene is less of a big deal than Melee's is. |
LeftyGreenMario |
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Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 82 Posts: 69/2062 EXP: 5098387 Next: 110840 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 418 days ago Last view: 417 days ago |
Posted by GreenThunder1337 No, not until we established a solid modding scene. Posted by Timmy I'm trying to understand the rationale for this. Are the developers intentionally making Jigglypuff bad now? Because you're also getting a solid amount of people that support her getting cut too. |
GreenThunder1337 |
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Fuzzy Good riddance! Level: 55 Posts: 754/785 EXP: 1259384 Next: 54805 Since: 05-05-15 From: secret Last post: 2912 days ago Last view: 2303 days ago |
So a lot of people have been wondering who ZeRo's new tournament main will be since Sheik went kill this patch.
Spoiler alert: it's Shulk. ZeRo will be taunting be "really feeling it" u know? ____________________ NNID: GreenThunder1337 3DS FC: 1521 - 5979 - 1511 |
NoThisIsStupider |
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Normal user Level: 31 Posts: 173/207 EXP: 181081 Next: 4282 Since: 03-13-14 Last post: 1921 days ago Last view: 1690 days ago |
Not sure if you're joking but that video was an April Fools joke, he isn't picking up Shulk. As far as I know, he's sticking to Sheik and Diddy Kong. ____________________ Switch on latest firm happily playing Smash daily PC with an i7-4790K, RX480, 16GB ram Various other consoles that are hardly used due to emulation existing |
salty |
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aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Level: 84 Posts: 591/2041 EXP: 5615217 Next: 46735 Since: 03-02-14 From: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Last post: 430 days ago Last view: 3 days ago |
Posted by GreenThunder1337 your memes suck D: Not surprised he's still with Sheik. ____________________ discord: salty#1212 photobucke­t |
LeftyGreenMario |
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Don't like politics? Too bad, it's-a Mario time. Level: 82 Posts: 88/2062 EXP: 5098387 Next: 110840 Since: 03-14-16 From: Stabbing Wario Last post: 418 days ago Last view: 417 days ago |
People keep accusing him of tier whoring. What do you think?
And is it just me, or just Sakurai nerf the top-tier character just because the character is top-tier? I thought difficulty curve factors a lot in those kinds of characters, which supposedly balances them, I guess. |
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