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GreenThunder1337
Posted on 02-10-16 06:48 AM (rev. 2 of 02-10-16 06:56 AM) Link | #67652
bair and uair are always stronger than most character's other attacks.

I'll admit to being a tad scared of b-reversed waterball + bites and counter follow ups, but they're pretty easy to bait and avoid/counter.

take a look at corrins tiers and match-ups, the community agrees with me.


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salty
Posted on 02-10-16 06:41 PM Link | #67662
Wait, there's tiers for characters that were released a few days ago!?

Why!? We don't even know any of the character's full potential!

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gridatttack
Posted on 02-10-16 09:10 PM (rev. 4 of 02-10-16 09:15 PM) Link | #67672
My thoughts exactly. Whatever MU you say don't have much weight because the character has only 1 week of being released.

Let's see in a couple of months from now on.

And the community agrees? Don't be so ambiguous. What community do you refer? Communities like Eventhubs can't be taken seriously due to the lack of credibility and foundations.

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GreenThunder1337
Posted on 02-10-16 11:00 PM (rev. 3 of 02-12-16 06:02 PM) Link | #67680
SmashBoards, /r/crazyhand / /r/smashbros, and EventHubs are the only sites anyone cares about for competitive Smash.

What tier list do you check? In my personal experience, EH has always been acurate almost to a tee. nope.

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Timmy
Posted on 02-11-16 10:27 PM Link | #67702
Posted by GreenThunder1337
SmashBoards, /r/crazyhand / /r/smashbros, and EventHubs are the only sites anyone cares about for competitive Smash.

What tier list do you check? In my personal experience, EH has always been acurate almost to a tee.

EHubs are never accurate, they put together their own tier lists but aren't established well. The way they rate MUs is really stupid, people just vote on if the MU is rated X% in his/her favor or the opponent's. But there is literally NO explanation as to why the MU rated X:Y in this character's favor.

And I can tell that looking at Ness' MU spread there it is so inaccurate lol

Smashboards on the other hand actually gives data as to their methods and with MU analyzes, there's actual legit info being said with MU discussions.

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And like grid said, you can't establish a solid MU analysis (or really any analysis at all) for a character who's only been out for a short time.

I also can't agree that Corrin has issues KOing (and comparing it to Sheik's is silly lol). Bair is safe on shield (also lets her retract) and provides a nice angle for edgeguarding. Uair is nicely disjointed (ALSO PEOPLE ARE SCARED OF THIS SO THEY WILL AIRDODGE AND YOU BAIT THAT), D-Tilt will set up foes nicely for a Uair/Bair AND she has not one, but 2 KO Throws (140% ain't too bad for U-Throw/D-Throw; U-Throw is less DIable and is generally better but D-Throw KOs better if she has rage due to knockback growth).

Don't forget her Dragon Lunge (not necessarily the part that stabs you) for KOing, the early hitbox of her kick (after it's pinned to the ground) is pretty damn strong AND can cover many options on the ledge/platforms with that move alone and still be safe. Her Up-B OoS is also a nice "GTFO" option and KO if the foe overcommits.

And you don't just throw out her Smashes like that lol, you use it to cover the landing (mainly when the foe doesn't have a jump). I've baited so many landings and got a tipper on her F-Smash lol.

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Hm, Sheik on the other hand...

- Fair will be VERY stale cause of its quick utility. It will KO at like... 160% at the ledge. Maybe 140% if she reads bad DI from her grab.

- Vanish is usually for the D-Throw > Airdodge read which KOs fairly early but it's a 50-50.

- Uair KOs fairly late (at like 150%). And this is usually for when she expects the opponent to counter attack from D-Throw so it's better to get hit by Uair than Vanish lol

- U-Smash is her best option overall but the sweetspot is kinda tough to land. But I usually don't find myself above her so lol

- Bouncing Fish requires a LOT of commitment and even then I can still live past 130% against it.

And her Bair was nerfed to hell rofl

I always find myself living past 150% against her. ;P

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gridatttack
Posted on 02-11-16 11:52 PM Link | #67706
Nice analysis Timmy. I've been using Corrin pretty much since it came out, but I feel its Kill throws are meh.

Usually, they work nice for middleweights and below. Forget about from Megaman and Up, since they survive longer, however, on light characters, its a nice option.

Other than that, Corrin doesn't have trouble at KOing, but its not that easy either. I can't wait to see how the MU spread will be, as I feel more confident in using Corrin for things like Sheik or Sonic.

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GreenThunder1337
Posted on 02-12-16 01:57 AM (rev. 4 of 02-12-16 04:27 PM) Link | #67707
@saltypepper
Oh shit, you were right. I looked back at the final direct, Sakurai DID say the game was finished, and that he was going to take a 'long vacation'.
@gridatttack + Timmy
Wow, you guys were also right. I also reviewed top tournaments, and EH is like 'meh' on target. I still say it's a good referance point though.

Have you seen Abadango's Meta Knight? He OBLITERATED Nairo!

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salty
Posted on 02-13-16 10:43 AM Link | #67744
abadango's pac-man is going to always amaze me

and make me confused as hell

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FireMario74
Posted on 03-07-16 02:40 PM (rev. 2 of 03-07-16 02:49 PM) Link | #68322
My top 3 favorite smash (Wii U and 3ds) characters are:

3. Bowser. He has moves that are so much fun to use. But he's not the one I'm best with.

2. Meta Knight. He has some pretty sweet moves and if you get good enough with his sword swipes(A up and A down(when there are others players there)) then he can be pretty relentless. However like Bowser he's not the one I am best with.

1. Lucario. I'm not a big pokemon fan, but I can totally reck when I play as Lucario. I mean he's the only one I could beat the final boss(on classic mode 3ds)on the hardest level.

GreenThunder1337
Posted on 03-26-16 02:21 PM Link | #69092
So there was a new update a while ago. Looks like I was right the first time lol.


So here's the down-low:

- all the top tiers were nerfed
- Sheik was nerfed super hard
- Bayo still has her 0-deaths, and is still considered the best in the game
- Corrin's counter and uair were nerfed (thank god)
- Mewtwo got buffed slightly (I wanna main him so bad, but he's still too light)
- Zelda's got a killer hoo-hah that kills at 80-100% (still has astronomical flaws that keep me from maining her)
- Samus got her pre-patch attributes back
- Link was buffed YET AGAIN (STAHP IT SAKURAI)

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Baby Luigi
Posted on 03-26-16 02:39 PM Link | #69094
Jigglypuff is still the worst character in the game like lmao

NoThisIsStupider
Posted on 03-27-16 07:22 AM Link | #69137
Actually, I think she is now the worst in the game, as zelda's uair might push her past jiggly on the tier list. AFAIK 90% of tier lists put zelda as worse than jiggly, but that was pre-1.1.5.

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Timmy
Posted on 03-27-16 09:07 PM Link | #69170
Posted by GreenThunder1337
So there was a new update a while ago. Looks like I was right the first time lol.


So here's the down-low:

- all the top tiers were nerfed
- Sheik was nerfed super hard
- Bayo still has her 0-deaths, and is still considered the best in the game
- Corrin's counter and uair were nerfed (thank god)
- Mewtwo got buffed slightly (I wanna main him so bad, but he's still too light)


- Top Tiers minus Rosa lol (Luma Uair & Dair have always been broken rofl)
- Sheik is gonna have an even worse time trying to KO lol (but I believe F-Throw > Bouncing Fish is kind of a thing now? Either way I'm still living at like 180% vs her)
- Don't forget Meta Knight's Uair strings to Shuttle Loop, similar effect with ZSS' strings
- All of Corrin's aerials (in terms of damage), counter and mobility were nerfed. Counter was understandable, but making her slower doesn't make sense to me lol
- Mewtwo is just as fast as Sheik now actually. Don't recall what else he got.
- Cloud got hit pretty hard with a Uair nerf and also mid-air Finishing Touch was nerfed as well (KOs like 30% later).

And to add what Baby Luigi said, I think Jiggs has been untouched (or had trivial changes) throughout the patches, I think throughout her MUs have just been getting worse and worse and even against nerfed characters she'd still lose pretty solidly against a majority of the cast lol.

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GreenThunder1337
Posted on 04-02-16 01:13 PM Link | #69379
Here's something that's been bothering me for a while; Has Sm4sh successfully overthrown Melee yet?

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Baby Luigi
Posted on 04-02-16 02:33 PM Link | #69381
No, there's no way it can.

It still retains some of the problems Brawl had, like the air-dodge spam, roll-dodge spam and the overall decreased lack of hitstun, and it doesn't have the fast, heavy gameplay that Melee has. Melee has a ton of crazy combos and techniques that are tough to master but very fun to learn (though I wouldn't call wavedashing fun it's just another way to break your shoulder buttons). Melee has gameplay that punishes people who screw pretty hard as well.

Sm4sh may have all the characters and a bit more balance, but its competitive scene is less of a big deal than Melee's is.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 04-05-16 10:43 PM Link | #69463
Posted by GreenThunder1337
Here's something that's been bothering me for a while; Has Sm4sh successfully overthrown Melee yet?

No, not until we established a solid modding scene. >:)

Posted by Timmy
And to add what Baby Luigi said, I think Jiggs has been untouched (or had trivial changes) throughout the patches, I think throughout her MUs have just been getting worse and worse and even against nerfed characters she'd still lose pretty solidly against a majority of the cast lol.

I'm trying to understand the rationale for this. Are the developers intentionally making Jigglypuff bad now? Because you're also getting a solid amount of people that support her getting cut too.

GreenThunder1337
Posted on 04-06-16 03:28 AM Link | #69470
So a lot of people have been wondering who ZeRo's new tournament main will be since Sheik went kill this patch.

Spoiler alert: it's Shulk.

ZeRo will be taunting be "really feeling it" u know?

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NoThisIsStupider
Posted on 04-09-16 08:09 PM Link | #69620
Not sure if you're joking but that video was an April Fools joke, he isn't picking up Shulk. As far as I know, he's sticking to Sheik and Diddy Kong.

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salty
Posted on 04-09-16 08:22 PM Link | #69621
Posted by GreenThunder1337
So a lot of people have been wondering who ZeRo's new tournament main will be since Sheik went kill this patch.

Spoiler alert: it's Shulk.

ZeRo will be taunting be "really feeling it" u know?

your memes suck D:

Not surprised he's still with Sheik.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 04-09-16 10:53 PM Link | #69626
People keep accusing him of tier whoring. What do you think?

And is it just me, or just Sakurai nerf the top-tier character just because the character is top-tier? I thought difficulty curve factors a lot in those kinds of characters, which supposedly balances them, I guess.
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