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What choice, Liberalism, Conservatism or some other Ideology
Liberalism
40.9% (9)
Conservatism
27.3% (6)
Other (choose this and then explain)
31.8% (7)
Multiple voting is not allowed. Changing your vote is allowed. 22 users have voted so far.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 03:03 PM Link | #88947
Voting third party might as well be wasting your vote.

it's p clear to me that one side (Republicans) is worse than the other (Democrats) and both have a decent chance of winning so that's why I and many people who share my views vote Democrat, mainly because the Democrats at least pretend to care about healthcare and the environment.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 09-19-17 03:06 PM (rev. 2 of 09-19-17 03:06 PM) Link | #88955
I mean, at least the Democrats put Bernie Sanders on the spotlight for a brief moment, garnered a huge amount of support, and then swept the rug underneath him. I think having him as a candidate was one of the best things they'd done, and that there was hope, until they wanted to support freaking Clinton.

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 03:13 PM Link | #88971
Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans are.

GalacticPirate
Posted on 09-19-17 03:14 PM (rev. 3 of 09-19-17 03:15 PM) Link | #88973
IMO the two-parties thing is almost a dictatorship thing. I am mostly centrist, and in France En Marche was created in 2016 and their candidate, Macron, won the election. And there are lots of parties. That's similar in most of Europe too.


Posted by LeftyGreenMario
Democrats are more conservative than the Republicans are.

Death penalty
Global warming
Gun control
Abortion
Healthcare
Do I need to say more

Baby Luigi
Posted on 09-19-17 03:15 PM Link | #88976
If you mean by saying the Republicans are so far right that they're less conservative than the Democrats then yeah.

Swingball
Posted on 09-19-17 03:19 PM Link | #88980
What kind of party is a resistance-type party in US? That stands up against Capitalism the most?

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 03:20 PM Link | #88982
Well, I think the electoral college enables that kind of two-party system too. It's a first-past-the-post winner-takes-all rather than proportional, so we have things like gerrymandering or focusing on a few states that have more voting power than the more-populous states.

It sucks that some farmer in Wyoming, one of her votes equals three California votes.

Posted by GalacticPirate
Death penalty
Global warming
Gun control
Abortion
Healthcare
Do I need to say more


I mean semantically and on the spectrum, though, they are more conservative, if you consider conservative just a component on the spectrum.

Republicans are more reactionary by trying to undo everything but Democrats like the preserve the status quo (by choosing Hillary, a very safe status quo figure to me IMO) or make only gradual changes, which is closer to conservatism, which is playing it safe to "conserve".

Posted by Swingball
What kind of party is a resistance-type party in US? That stands up against Capitalism the most?

http://www.cpusa.org/

Baby Luigi
Posted on 09-19-17 03:21 PM Link | #88986
Communism is far too extreme for my tastes lol

Swingball
Posted on 09-19-17 03:44 PM (rev. 4 of 09-19-17 03:50 PM) Link | #89038
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
Is that the only one or is there more?

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 03:50 PM Link | #89051

Swingball
Posted on 09-19-17 03:50 PM Link | #89054
Or should we lean medium-left instead?

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 03:52 PM Link | #89060
Medium left, even medium-right they're okay positions to take. Just don't go too far down the hole in either side, it never ends well. I prefer medium-rare left but that's mainly because I'm left myself.

Swingball
Posted on 09-19-17 03:55 PM Link | #89065
What parties are medium-left?

Should we continue this in PM?

LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 04:07 PM Link | #89095
Not sure but I don't think it really matters and I'm too hungry and distracted to continue in PM right now. Maybe later.

Swingball
Posted on 09-19-17 04:15 PM Link | #89116
Posted by Swingball
What parties are medium-left?


LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 09-19-17 04:21 PM Link | #89129
Bruh maybe the Green Party or some progressive party in Vermont or maybe one of the six socialist parties.

But avoid Independent American Party, it's a shitty party despite its name.

I don't know, why don't you have a look? You're more interested than I am.

Marionumber1
Posted on 09-19-17 11:17 PM Link | #89195
Posted by Baby Luigi
Not even all democracies work out well. People still rig elections and shit in countries where government isn't as strong and a bunch of crap is happening, so even with a representational government, if it's not executed well, you'll end up being stick with a corrupt, power-hungry egotistical moron *looks at our US government*


Election rigging and political assassinations (*cough* JFK *cough*) certainly aren't limited to weaker, emerging democracies in foreign countries. Both of them happen in the US fairly routinely.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 09-20-17 12:27 AM Link | #89202
Not to mention, Trump being chums with Putin and Russia possibly rigging elections for Trump.

Belsaw
Posted on 09-20-17 12:36 AM (rev. 3 of 09-20-17 12:40 AM) Link | #89203
Heck, there was a military coup attempt in France known as the Algiers Putsch of 1961 in order to prevent the independence of Algeria.

As for me, I personally don't identify anywhere on the political spectrum although Political Compass places me as a left or socialist libertarian. All I will say I have a very unfavorable view of religion, most especially political religions like Juche, National Bolshevism, and Nazism. As you can probably infer, I despise theocracies like Iran, North Korea, and Saudi Arabia. I have no problem with religious people as long they are peaceful and don't have a shove-it-down-your-throat. "Forcibly convert the Middle East to Christianity!"/"Behead those who insult Islam!" If I had to choose a party it would be the Green Party although I think Bernie Sanders is more fit for US President than Jill Stein.

As for communism, in theory it could work but it keeps on failing and devolving into either totalitarianism (*ahem* Holodomor and Cambodian Genocide *ahem*) or state capitalism (China, Vietnam, etc.) The closest something similar to communism came to working was Yugoslavia but after Tito's death ultranationalism grew more and more until it culminated into the Yugoslav Wars of the 1990's. One of the reasons why I no longer identify as anywhere on the political spectrum is because I was constantly called a "fascist", "nazi", "capitalist", "Trump supporter", and even slurs for acknowledging atrocities like the Holodomor and Cambodian Genocide.

Posted by Baby Luigi
Not to mention, Trump being chums with Putin and Russia possibly rigging elections for Trump.


As much as I dislike Putin and Trump, I see this whole Russiagate thing as the Democrats' equivalent of the Republicans' Iraqi WMDs. If Trump is gonna be impeached it should be for things there is actual evidence for like his stupid Muslim ban.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 09-20-17 01:21 AM Link | #89206
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole RUSSIA RIGGED ELECTIONS is minor compared to all of the shit Trump has pulled off, but it just shows you how the system can easily exploited especially by other asshats.
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