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What choice, Liberalism, Conservatism or some other Ideology
Liberalism
40.9% (9)
Conservatism
27.3% (6)
Other (choose this and then explain)
31.8% (7)
Multiple voting is not allowed. Changing your vote is allowed. 22 users have voted so far.

Swingball
Posted on 08-20-17 10:19 PM Link | #86848
So looking towards the 2020 Election, I'm gonna go third-party, two-party is overrated. But what do you guys think? Which Ideology are you guys?

JakoNintenCraft
Posted on 08-21-17 02:03 PM Link | #86869
I lean to more of the conservative side, but TBH these two ideologies are both outdated and inefficient ways of thinking. Instead of people being forced into one or the other mindset, that dictates what is right and what is wrong, people need to think for themselves and make their own ideas about politics so that they can figure out what is right and wrong for themselves.

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StapleButter
Posted on 08-21-17 02:07 PM Link | #86870
why is this in Relaxland


anyway I'm the kind of ideology which doesn't vote and doesn't believe into the representation system

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Marionumber1
Posted on 08-21-17 04:41 PM (rev. 2 of 08-21-17 04:50 PM) Link | #86881
I'm on the political left, but I don't identify with US liberalism, which promotes an agenda of trickle-down economics (deregulation, corporate subsidies, etc.), resistance to single-payer healthcare, minimal token action to address climate change and other environmental issues, and endless war. Both major political parties are relatively similar on those economic and foreign policy issues, despite the efforts of the Democrats to pretend otherwise. My views would be closer to the Green Party, although I don't affiliate with any party.

Despite this, I'm not all that focused on politics right now. Politics is largely a sideshow when the foundations of democracy itself barely exist. Elections are easily vulnerable to tampering and are constantly rigged to favor right-wing candidates (corporate Democrats and Republicans), while the sorry state of our campaign finance laws permits legalized bribery of politicians. There's also an untamed criminal enterprise embedded within the government, and its activities range from smuggling drugs, to committing terrorism and assassinations, to running child molestation rings. All of these threats to our democracy need to be addressed before politics can make much of a difference.

Gamer Boy
Posted on 08-21-17 05:10 PM (rev. 4 of 08-21-17 05:11 PM) Link | #86893
Left wing, right wing, same bird. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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natnew
Posted on 08-21-17 06:43 PM Link | #86906
I lean left, though I'm not sure what to do.

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GalacticPirate
Posted on 08-22-17 01:21 PM Link | #86969
Definitely US-liberal, but in France I'm more on the center-right side, I'm what Mélenchon&friends would call an ultra-liberal and accuse me of "deregulation" (except we are currently in France with overregulation lmao). I'm basically Macronist.

RanAS
Posted on 08-22-17 04:14 PM Link | #86977
I'm not from the U.S., so I don't really vote for any of their political parties. My views would probably be aligned with my country's Green Party, that is, if the political parties actually followed their ideologies for once. I usually lean Left/Libertarian, although I try to keep it fairly balanced.

I share some liberal and some conservative values, some of them might even conflict one another. I try to keep my mind open and to see if I can understand and justify different approaches and views to each topic, present them to others, and form a conclusion upon that rather than just going with whatever seems better. This usually takes a lot of effort though, so I tend to roughly follow it and cut it a bit short when I need to do other things, but when I have the free time to just think about it extensively though, man I sure do think about it.

I don't mind being wrong, as long as I can to debate different topics civilly and respectfully with another person that's good enough for me. I'm more fond of connecting the dots and letting my ideas flow and sort themselves out rather than rush a conclusion out of them.
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Hiccup
Posted on 08-23-17 05:55 AM Link | #87013
The way this poll is worded makes it sound like someone can have either fully conservative ideology or fully liberal ideology, both of which is impossible - even if the person thinks otherwise.

GalacticPirate
Posted on 08-23-17 06:49 AM (rev. 2 of 08-23-17 06:50 AM) Link | #87018
Indeed, Hiccup is right. Plus these words have different meanings depending on the country. left and right in Frence are quite different from left and right in the US, for example.

StapleButter
Posted on 08-23-17 07:20 AM Link | #87021
USA gives you the choice between 'Right' and 'more Right', anything more Left is for dirty Russian commie traitors :P

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JakoNintenCraft
Posted on 08-23-17 08:47 AM Link | #87031
Posted by StapleButter
USA gives you the choice between 'Right' and 'more Right', anything more Left is for dirty Russian commie traitors :P

I think you meant that the US gives the choice between "Left", and "More Left". Anything on the other side of the political spectrum is for racist, bigoted Neo-Nazis.

Wait... OH... You described it in the terms of FRANCE! My bad.

Yeah, pretty much Liberalism (the Left over here) is king here in the USA. I don't like it because the Left here has some morally ambiguous/wrong ideas, but I have to live with it. Free speech is a double-edged sword. :P

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Swingball
Posted on 08-23-17 01:31 PM Link | #87064
Posted by Hiccup
The way this poll is worded makes it sound like someone can have either fully conservative ideology or fully liberal ideology, both of which is impossible - even if the person thinks otherwise.


Well you can vote "Other" and then describe what your ideology is. Me myself, I don't wanna go Libertarian, I more of a Green, given the choice in an election.

Why don't we all forget Left and Right and go Middle/Neutral.

Marionumber1
Posted on 08-23-17 03:46 PM Link | #87076
Posted by JakoNintenCraft
I think you meant that the US gives the choice between "Left", and "More Left". Anything on the other side of the political spectrum is for racist, bigoted Neo-Nazis.

Wait... OH... You described it in the terms of FRANCE! My bad.

Yeah, pretty much Liberalism (the Left over here) is king here in the USA. I don't like it because the Left here has some morally ambiguous/wrong ideas, but I have to live with it. Free speech is a double-edged sword. :P


That's not even remotely true. Both US parties are in favor of right-wing economic (deregulation, tax cuts, anti-environmentalism, privatization) and foreign policy (imperialism and regime change). Virtually nothing about the Democratic Party is left-wing, aside from their stances on social issues.

JakoNintenCraft
Posted on 08-24-17 09:56 AM Link | #87093
Posted by Marionumber1
Virtually nothing about the Democratic Party is left-wing, aside from their stances on social issues.

Posted by JakoNintenCraft
I don't like it because the Left here has some morally ambiguous/wrong ideas, but I have to live with it. Free speech is a double-edged sword. :P

Their stances on the social issues are the “Morally Ambiguous/Wrong” ideas I was talking about. But you're right though, other than social issues both parties have the same ideals, just the way they want to acheive them is the controversy.

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Hiccup
Posted on 08-25-17 09:22 AM (rev. 3 of 08-25-17 02:44 PM) Link | #87171
The Democratic Party and and the Republican Party have the same ideas but they want to achieve them in different ways? Could you expand on that?

EDIT: I'm not discounting your view. I'm interested to see what I think of it. I just want to know what it is :P

Swingball
Posted on 08-25-17 12:46 PM Link | #87180
Like before, why can't we all just go Middle instead of Left or Right?

Marionumber1
Posted on 08-25-17 01:55 PM Link | #87185
Posted by Swingball
Like before, why can't we all just go Middle instead of Left or Right?


It's a fallacy to assume that the correct answer must be in the middle. I do agree that nobody should be so rigid as to only have ideas from the left or the right - for instance, while I lean strongly left, I'm in favor of gun rights - but that doesn't mean being middle-of-the-road on every issue (or even most issues) is the right way to go.

Swingball
Posted on 08-25-17 02:17 PM Link | #87187
Why do I feel like an idiot with politics?

Hiccup
Posted on 08-25-17 02:48 PM (rev. 2 of 08-27-17 01:24 PM) Link | #87190
Politics is difficult.

Especially in the USA where political literacy doesn't seem to be taught very well and very divisive political stuff is commercialised (e.g. tabloid-style news). Or at least I get that impression.
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