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Arisotura
Posted on 11-11-16 03:16 PM Link | #79646
that's, uh, crazy. it's just a piece of cloth.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 11-11-16 06:04 PM Link | #79647
The flag represents America.

America has failed us either way you look at it. Hillary, Trump, they're the embodiment of failure.

American deserves to take a piss for letting these two happen.

PixelDimension
Posted on 11-11-16 08:05 PM Link | #79649
I would first like to point out that Hillary Clinton actually got more votes. Donald Trump only won because of the "Electoral College" system, AKA not even an actual democracy.

Second, I would like to point out this:


We're screwed.

Degolegodyl
Posted on 11-11-16 08:25 PM Link | #79650
Clinton supporters made fun of Trump supporters for "being dumb cause they follow Trump", yet they are complaining about the democratic system, beating up Trump supporters and making up unreasonable assumptions about the new presidency. This makes them seem foolish and immature, something they think they are better than. It's really stupid. Also, having more of the popular vote is important sure, but it was actually very close, and by land area, Trump won by a landslide, all of Clinton's support was concentrated in the cities. I think the electoral college is a but screwed up but I think it follows kind of right principles, because if it wasn't for that, non-urban votes would be useless.

Baby Luigi
Posted on 11-11-16 10:14 PM Link | #79651
That's a generalization. I'm not a Trump nor Clinton supporter, but I bash on some Trump supporters for reasons different than why I hate the Democratic system.

Marionumber1
Posted on 11-11-16 10:21 PM Link | #79653
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
The flag represents America.

America has failed us either way you look at it. Hillary, Trump, they're the embodiment of failure.

American deserves to take a piss for letting these two happen.


To be fair, America didn't elect Hillary Clinton. Bernie was their choice, but the nomination was stolen.

Tahcryon
Posted on 11-11-16 10:57 PM Link | #79656
Posted by PixelDimension
I would first like to point out that Hillary Clinton actually got more votes. Donald Trump only won because of the "Electoral College" system, AKA not even an actual democracy.

Second, I would like to point out this:


We're screwed.

The USA is a representative democracy, it has been this way for quite a while, and both candidates knew that it would be about the electoral votes. The 'popular vote' means absolutely nothing, and never will. If I remember correctly, the 'popular vote losing' thing has happened before, which means that there have been plenty of opportunities to fix it, right? Well, the process hasn't been changed, and whining about it now that your favorite candidate didn't win by popular majority isn't going to change anything either.

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Posted on 11-11-16 11:19 PM (rev. 3 of 11-11-16 11:20 PM) Link | #79660
Posted by StapleButter
that's, uh, crazy. it's just a piece of cloth.

I agree with this, actually. A lot of people in the US get mad if you say something like that most of the time, but I find it illogical.

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Kak
Posted on 11-12-16 06:00 AM Link | #79662
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oh good, politics. I don't like talking about them but uh


This feels like Brexit all over again, right down to the cries of "RACISM!! DIE WHITE PEOPLE!!! THEY HATE BLACKS!!!!!"I actually approved the *general* idea of Brexit due to personal feelings about UE. Namely, Italy can't get away as it would be fucked without it (even though EU doubt is rampant here), but since the UK can without major disasters, they might as well do and go away.

Honestly, I didn't pay much attention to this whole thing and I just sat back and saw salt. A lot of it.

My stance of candidates aside, the majority of (big?) (online) protests I've seen makes them look like sore losers throwing a temper tantum, crying racism and bigotry all over the show - which, if I were a Trump voter, I would see most of them as "Democracy is good only when they win".

Labeling *all* people who voted for something as (racist/bigots/whatever) is bad and personally it's one of the things I hate the most, since it automatically implies all of them are like that (I don't like labels in general, thank you).


It might be that a lot of the things the guys are fighting for are something I *generally* take for granted here (ie: most LGBT rights) and I can't see those being taken away, but eh. I'm not American, I'm not going to say things about a different system/way of thinking I don't know much about. Things in Italy are different for the better or the worse.


(if you're wondering what my stance on the two main candidates is: for what I've seen, both were bad. the only other thing I could say is that my reaction to what Trump said about global warming can be summed up with "wait wut", followed by 5000 :psyduck:s)

Posted by LeftyGreenMario
I told my sister that I want to burn / rip up the American flag, get a Trump pinata, burn a Trump effigy, but I don't know how people at LA are doing.
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Marionumber1
Posted on 11-12-16 08:02 PM Link | #79672
I hate Hillary, and consider her worse than Trump, but there's reason to question Trump's victory. Trump outperformed the exit polls in almost every state, which is statistically nearly impossible. And large counties in a couple swing states (Ohio and North Carolina, at least) exhibit a statistical pattern that implies vote shifting to Trump. Similar signs have appeared in several past elections with fingerprints of GOP election theft (like the 2000 and 2004 presidential races).

This doesn't mean I think the election should be overturned, however. Why? Because these same exact signs also showed up in the Democratic primaries, to Hillary's benefit and Bernie's detriment. Hillary was a completely illegitimate candidate, and she got exactly what she deserved for that. But ultimately, Bernie should have been the one to run. He'd have been able to defeat Trump handily, and likely overcome any GOP fraud as well.

Hiccup
Posted on 11-14-16 07:18 AM Link | #79700
Don't forget that people would actually have to vote for him, and many americans won't vote for someone who oh-so-controversially calls himself a socialist

Marionumber1
Posted on 11-14-16 07:22 AM Link | #79701
Posted by Hiccup
Don't forget that people would actually have to vote for him, and many americans won't vote for someone who oh-so-controversially calls himself a socialist


Bernie was extremely popular, and retained that popularity as he became more well-known. Both Hillary and Trump are hated by most people. There are very few attacks that would work against him, and the socialist label didn't seem to dog him.

PaperplateismGuy
Posted on 11-14-16 04:33 PM Link | #79705
Just referring to what Staplebutter said a few posts ago about Capitalism, I think I heard that Social Democracy should replace what we have now. I was wondering what the difference is between Socialism and Social Democracy?

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Marionumber1
Posted on 11-14-16 05:52 PM Link | #79706
Posted by PaperplateismGuy
Just referring to what Staplebutter said a few posts ago about Capitalism, I think I heard that Social Democracy should replace what we have now. I was wondering what the difference is between Socialism and Social Democracy?


Socialism is a system where the means of production (resources, factories, technology, infrastructure, etc.) are owned collectively, whether by the government, all the people directly, or some other system. Social democracy retains capitalism, but has regulations and social welfare programs (like single-payer healthcare, unemployment benefits, and retirement pensions).

SuperMario64DS
Posted on 11-15-16 01:42 AM (rev. 6 of 11-15-16 01:47 AM) Link | #79713
I just find it peculiar that mainstream outlets/citizens now questioning the electoral college system. Hello? We've had about 300 years of these elections on planet earth. I'm not necessarily talking about any of you (I haven't read most of the comments), but the fact that so people are just now finding out how the election system works, and that it's suddenly issue to voters who had their candidate lose? That says too much.

As a person with Multiple Citizenship, I took the time to research both candidate's policies and really determine what was best for the nation. Independent of "Hillary kills people", and "Trump hates Mexicans", I took into consideration their past convictions (if any), what they stated in their policies, and could easily see past the media bias, celebrity endorsements, and nasty political ads. It was no competition.

As for this awful election, I wouldn't blame the American people entirely for this ordeal. It was fixed to get Hillary in, and in addition to possibly trying to get the one person Hillary could beat against her, Trump basically won the support of the older generation who actually cared to vote. It ended in a way noone expected, but hopefully that's for the better. We'll all be watching America the next four years, and we'll see if Trump is a good president.

In the future, take time to adequately review candidates, campaign for them, and vote. Not "I'm not voting for Trump because... his policies (?)/he's a meme" or "Hillary killed people/corrupt politician" - do the research yourself. I was absolutely disgusted by the nation with this campaign. Not because they were mindlessly stating facts that were untrue, but for the ones that were, they knew no background information other than whatever statement they heard on the news/Laci Green's twitter.

It's just the fact that I have a Muslim friend who's legitimately fearing for her life because Trump won. She thinks she can't go through with here marriage, and that Trump wants to deport/harm Muslim citizens. WTH?

From what I've seen here, (now having read some comments) most of you seem to have done your own research, so that's very nice. Keep it up, and hopefully we'll do better next time! Reject the fear mongering, educate yourself, and (God willing), we'll have a good president in the US again someday.

Hiccup
Posted on 11-15-16 06:47 AM Link | #79714
Posted by Marionumber1
Socialism is a system where the means of production (resources, factories, technology, infrastructure, etc.) are owned collectively, whether by the government, all the people directly, or some other system. Social democracy retains capitalism, but has regulations and social welfare programs (like single-payer healthcare, unemployment benefits, and retirement pensions).

I thought the former was communism and the latter thing was socialism. Maybe the definitions are different in the US. :P

Kak
Posted on 11-16-16 06:39 AM Link | #79719
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In related news, there's this and this.

Everything I said in my previous post applies, so you should guess what I think of this.in my nature of being the neutral guy, that got me to follow Jontron's account (which I should have done a long time ago, since I've been subscribed to his YT account for some time)
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Arisotura
Posted on 11-16-16 07:33 AM Link | #79720
heh.

well, I know that a certain group of people would have protested even if Clinton got elected. those are typically anarchists.


also, I love that fascist moves in France always gather ridiculous amounts of people. Guess mosts of the fascists are socially rejected kids who take revenge on the internet, feeling safe in its apparent anonymity.

sadly there's more true nazis in USA. nazis are complete fucking assholes. like, if you try to take down their propaganda posters, you may get cut by razor blades they'd hid under them, or they may just beat the shit out of you.

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LeftyGreenMario
Posted on 11-16-16 09:18 PM Link | #79726
Posted by SuperMario64DS
we'll see if Trump is a good president.

I don't know, as far as his cabinet appointees seem to look like, we're going to be in a strange, strange world here.

fucking Myron Ebell who is a stupid climate change denier and Stephen Bannon who is the executive of effing BREITBART (a very unsavory site; white supremacist, pro-Gamergate,) are some of Trump's reported cabinets, each more nausea-inducing than the last.

Marionumber1
Posted on 11-16-16 09:36 PM Link | #79727
Posted by LeftyGreenMario
fucking Myron Ebell who is a stupid climate change denier


There is a potential advantage to this. Hillary would have acknowledged climate change and pretended to care, but really taken no substantive action. Meanwhile, most progressives and liberals would have completely ignored her unwillingness to act. Having an obvious threat to climate action gives a clearer enemy to coalesce against.
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