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Yami
Posted on 07-29-16 05:06 PM Link | #75202
Okay, so within 2 months, I will buy a new Laptop, and it will be a MacBook Pro with Retina Display.
BOOHOO! MACS SUX! GET A PC, YOU DUMB BITCH!
Reminder: Mac IS a PC!

But okay, I'll explain you exactly why I prefer a MacBook Pro over any other Laptop.

1. Runs any OS legally
If there's 1 OS you must run illegally on a non-Apple Computer, that would be OS X (or macOS, as of this Autumn).
However, on an Apple Computer, you can run OS X/macOS, Windows, Linux, *BSD, or whatever else without Hacking, and most Linux Distro's will work out of the box as well (Macs are very popular machines, so it's common sense Linux Distro's can't resist to not support those).

2. Perfect for long term usage
Yes, I admit, the specs are a bit lower than on a different brand Computer, that's half the price.
BUT! While you pay half the price for a Laptop with better specs, you will either end up buying a new Laptop sooner, or bringing it in for repair (like a failing HDD, for example).
Before you call me an Apple Fangirl, I've had Laptops from Dell, Asus, Acer, Toshiba, HP, and yes, Apple.
Out of all of them, only Apple and Toshiba held strong for a very long time.
I paid a whole less for a Dell Laptop, and it died the year after, once I dropped it just a few CM, while going upstairs.
My MacBook Pro on the other hand, dropped multiple times, and after 6 (!) years since I bought it, it still works perfectly (although only on Linux, as I prefer to keep OS's up to date)!
Additionally, my Acer, Asus, and HP Laptops never reached their 3rd year of usability, while Toshiba is 5 years old now, even though I sold it to somebody with Linux Mint on it.

So you may pay more for an Apple Laptop, but in the end, everything will pay off.

[sidenote]She is no knowledgeable PC user, but she told me Linux Mint works more convenient than Windows).[/sidenote]

3. Lid opens with only 1 finger
Unlike other Laptops, Apple Laptops can be opened with only 1 finger.
Very useful for those like me, who have their hands full, while at the same time, we want to open up our Laptops.
On any other Laptop, I have to hold one hand on the Laptop Body, and pull it open with the other hand.

4. It's not bulky
Well, I don't necessarily need an Ultrabook, but at the same time, I don't want something I can't put in my bag, because the the thickness.
I tried to find regular Laptops that aren't way to thick, and ended up finding just MacBook Pro Laptops.
Yes, I will lack an Ethernet Port, but I still have my trusty old Wii Ethernet Adapter, which even works perfectly fine on my Surface Pro 3.

5. Hardware feels premium
While other Laptops mostly feel like some cheap plastic, Apple Laptops feel like high quality aluminium.
Besides, even though some essential keys (Delete, Print Screen, etc.) are missing, Apple Keyboards are by far the best Keyboards I've ever worked with.
Same for the Track Pads.
Apple mice, however, are quite crappy, I actually prefer a mouse from Microsoft instead, which are awesome.

So, you'll be a Mac user once again?
Not quite, I've actually grown tired of both Windows, and OS X/macOS, as Microsoft and Apple keep trying to turn their Desktop OS's into Mobile OS's bit by bit.
Instead, I will install Arch Linux on this MacBook Pro, as its only OS.
I did that with my current MacBook Pro and Mac Mini, so why shouldn't I do it again with my upcoming MacBook Pro?

Will you sell your old MacBook Pro to me?
Nope, I already promised somebody who's very interested to buy the old one from me, and I can't undo this promise.
Besides, I will sell it after I get the new one, because I want to transfer over all my data first (including all Applications and Settings), before I put macOS back on the old one.

Games?
You know I'm not a PC gamer, I'm a Handheld/Console gamer (I prefer Handhelds).
That's why I'm not to bothered about the specs, I just don't need anything even more expensive.

Hacking?
My Windows 10-powered Surface Pro 3 is here to stay, that'll remain my ROM Hacking PC.
The new Linux-powered MacBook Pro will basically take over my current Linux-powered MacBook Pro: App/Web Development, and downtime PC.

Well then, what's the point of buying a new one?
My current MacBook Pro, although it still works fine, is quite heavy (as in weight), and its resolution is really low (1280x800).
Besides, I need something that works much faster than I have now, and the Laptop itself must be a bit thinner than what I currently have.
Those are the main reasons.

The only thing I will miss, will be the Ethernet Port, but having 2 Thunderbolt Ports and an HDMI Port in return compromises this.




(I wasn't sure whether I should have put it under "Serious discussions", or "Computers and technology", as it fits both quite well.)

StapleButter
Posted on 07-29-16 05:19 PM Link | #75204
the 'high quality aluminium' may be strong, but it's not always an advantage. It hinders wifi range.


the Mac is a PC... an overpriced one. You're paying it more just because it has an apple on it. As for running OSX, it's following the same path as Windows 10, ie. take control away from users, turn their PC into a consumer toy.


the Apple keyboard is dumb. why did Apple need to invent their own dumb keyboard layout? that's beyond me. and a good reason why I don't want a Mac. Don't want to have to learn their dumb keyboard where they decided they had to hide all the 'ugly' characters, which makes it a pain to code (even moreso than an AZERTY keyboard).


aside from that, the Mac could be a good computer. If there's atleast one thing I have to credit OSX for, it's hiDPI management-- so far it's the only PC OS that manages it cleanly everywhere. Linux is okay but can be a mess depending on what apps use to display their shit. Windows is a total trainwreck, no matter which version.

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Lunarius
Posted on 07-29-16 06:05 PM Link | #75216
As much I don't want to admit it, Apple really does make the same computers as those that run Windows. I can see why you prefer Apple's Macbook, however, one you didn't mention one laptop brand that I like to buy from.

Ever heard of Alienware? They are really good computers. They are mostly made for gaming but the price is really good. I don't know what price they are in right now but it should be the same as a Macbook. When you order one, you can customize the laptop to anyway you want it. You can even add those new light-up LED keyboards that are found on the new HP Spectre x360. :P

Take a look into Alienware and see if you like them or not.




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StapleButter
Posted on 07-29-16 06:06 PM Link | #75217
are there any Alienware laptops that would fit in a regular size backpack, though? I imagine they'd be the big bulky laptop kind, more "transportable" than laptop.

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Lunarius
Posted on 07-29-16 06:18 PM (rev. 2 of 07-29-16 06:18 PM) Link | #75221
They are a bit too thick. I think that is a downside. When buying a really good laptop, you will have to sacrifice some things.

If you want a really thin laptop that rivals Apple's Macbook, look into Hewlett-Packard's new Spectre x360. I only liked it because of its design and beautiful 4K screen resolution. Specs? I don't really know much. Heard it uses a more powerful processor though with 8 GB of RAM.




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Yami
Posted on 07-29-16 06:31 PM Link | #75222
Staple, why else do you think I said I want to install Linux on it, as soon as I unbox it?
I even gave the same reason in the TS...
The keyboard layout is just slightly different from another brand, I actually intended to mention the keyboard quality, rather than layout.

Lunarius, I know Alienware is a thing, but as Staple already said, they're super bulky.
Other than that, I have no experience using these Laptops, so I can't say anything about its durability.

Nadia
Posted on 07-29-16 08:03 PM Link | #75253
Good idea going with Arch Linux :)

I imagine GNOME would look really nice on that retina display.

Yami
Posted on 07-29-16 08:36 PM Link | #75271
I'll actually install MATE on it.
To be honest, I'm not a fan of Gnome 3, while MATE is the trusty old Gnome 2, but actively in development.

Anthe
Posted on 07-30-16 05:04 AM Link | #75315
Macbooks are reliable. If you want something reliable, you buy a Mac. You do what you want really, fighting over "this is better than that" and fanboyism I thought we didn't do anymore :p.

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Tahcryon
Posted on 07-30-16 10:59 AM Link | #75318
Posted by StapleButter
the Apple keyboard is dumb. why did Apple need to invent their own dumb keyboard layout? that's beyond me. and a good reason why I don't want a Mac. Don't want to have to learn their dumb keyboard where they decided they had to hide all the 'ugly' characters, which makes it a pain to code (even moreso than an AZERTY keyboard).

I've never had a problem with the keyboard, though mine is an English one. The French keyboard layout looks like an absolute shitfest though.

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Apparently this is the French layout? In comparison, this is the international English layout:

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For even more comparisons, this is a Turkish layout:

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StapleButter
Posted on 07-30-16 11:03 AM Link | #75320


normal French AZERTY. notice the differences.


but apparently the Mac's AZERTY layout is the same as the normal one used in Belgium. odd

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RanAS
Posted on 07-30-16 12:17 PM Link | #75324
That is a very different keyboard than what I'm used to. I can't even compare all the differences. ABNT2 stays mostly intact (except Ç seems to be gone). A few differences, but most keys stay within the same general area:

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I remember once my father bought a keyboard that used Portugal's keyboard system without noticing it, and it was quite disorienting.
"I forgot what I was going to say."

Anthe
Posted on 07-30-16 12:18 PM Link | #75325
Posted by StapleButter


normal French AZERTY. notice the differences.


but apparently the Mac's AZERTY layout is the same as the normal one used in Belgium. odd

When shopping for keyboards in Belgium I always have to look out for French AZERTY. Logitech only makes French AZERTY and since I've been typing on Belgian AZERTY for my whole life it just really sucks :p.

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Yami
Posted on 07-30-16 05:50 PM (rev. 2 of 07-30-16 05:51 PM) Link | #75337
I had to repair a Laptop with a Belgian AZERTY 4 years ago, and fuck knew I had to hold down Shift, just to type a number...
It seriously confused the fuck out of me...

I've used QWERTY my entire life, since both The Netherlands, and Japan use the US-International Keyboard standard (or at least, with very minor differences, which aren't even notable).

Anthe
Posted on 07-31-16 11:19 AM Link | #75402
I'm pretty sure they did that because in French, you use accent vowels such as é è and à very frequently. I thought this was the case for all keyboards but apparently it's an AZERTY thing :s.

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Yami
Posted on 07-31-16 04:57 PM (rev. 2 of 07-31-16 04:57 PM) Link | #75411
You can do it on US-International as well.
If you use one with Alt Gr Keys, it's just Right Alt + e = é, Right Alt + y = ü, etc.
If you use one with dead keys, it's even simpler: ' + e = é, " + u = ü, etc.

On a Mac, it's Right Option, instead of Right Alt (practically same shit).

Yami
Posted on 08-04-16 04:36 PM Link | #75664
Alright, so I've got this MacBook Pro yesterday, and installed Linux even before it got the chance to boot into OS X.
My first impression visiting certain Websites was: "Holy fuck, everything looks so tiny"!
The good news is, setting the resolution much lower made everything look normal again.

However, as you can see on this Screenshot, I installed Linux Mint.
I didn't have Arch Linux handy, but instead I had the Linux Mint Pen Drive I used to Upgrade a colleague's Laptop from Windows to Linux, and I was rushing.
Maybe it's for the good I installed Mint, at least my Wireless Card works with no problems (on my old MacBook Pro, I had to use Ethernet, in order to get more stable Internet), and my configuration time was cut from 5 days back to 30 minutes.

I also noticed it was a tiny bit smaller than my old MacBook Pro, and it's a lot lighter and thinner also.
The lack of a DVD Drive surprisingly didn't matter for me, as I realised I hardly used it on my old one, and I never used it on my iMac at all, so it didn't matter.

Anyway, I'm enjoying it, my Windows 10 Tablet will stay home as my ROM Hacking Device from now on, my MacBook Pro has now become my travel companion instead.

Tahcryon
Posted on 08-05-16 04:40 PM Link | #75711
Posted by Yami
The lack of a DVD Drive surprisingly didn't matter for me, as I realised I hardly used it on my old one, and I never used it on my iMac at all, so it didn't matter.

Wait, iMacs have DVD drives?

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MusiMasta
Posted on 08-05-16 04:47 PM Link | #75713
Welp, I have a DVD slot too, as the one I have is older and runs on a tower (just like a Windows desktop).

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Yami
Posted on 08-05-16 07:55 PM Link | #75722
Posted by Tahcryon
Wait, iMacs have DVD drives?

Yes, all pre-2012 models have a DVD Drive.
Then they introduced those very thin iMacs, in which they have removed both the DVD Drive, and the ability to upgrade your RAM, at the same time...
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