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Dirbaio
Posted on 12-04-12 09:32 PM Link | #1437
06:22 < MrRean> We aren't here just to be important have an awesome job and brag about it.
06:22 < MrRean> What are we here for? A hack.
06:22 < MrRean> A FUN hack.
06:23 < MrRean> Jobs don't matter.
06:23 < MrRean> As long as you help out, and contribute to the project, you are being a helpful member.
So the thing is:

The "job" thing is creating drama. People fight to get jobs because they believe it will "make them important" in the project.

You know what? This is STUPID. It's creating useless drama. It isn't helping the project. It's pissing people off.

People have to realize that the best thing they can do for the project is collaborate. Forget about the jobs. Do stuff that needs to be done. Do it awesome. Then the project WILL work. People are important because of what they DO, not because of the JOB they have.

The thing I'm proposing is that jobs should go away. People who really care about the project will contribute in everything they can, and the project will go forward. All successful community hacks I've seen have been organized this way. I can tell you that not having jobs is GOOD because I've SEEN IT.

(I'm not making a poll because everyone who has a job would vote that jobs should stay and everyone who doesn't would vote jobs should go away.)

Please discuss.

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shibboleet
Posted on 12-04-12 09:33 PM Link | #1438
[21:22] You know what? This goes to everyone.
[21:22] Everybody here.
[21:22] I didn't see it
[21:22] We aren't here just to be important have an awesome job and brag about it.
[21:22] What are we here for? A hack.
[21:22] A FUN hack.
[21:23] Jobs don't matter.
[21:23] Who's bragging?
[21:23] As long as you help out, and contribute to the project, you are being a helpful member.
[21:23] "Jobs" just show that you created a level.
[21:23] or
[21:23] you did whatever your job is.
[21:23] .......and?
[21:23] Who cares if you are jobless?
[21:24] How about this? Ask for a job repeatedly and you're gone
[21:24] If you contribute ideas, and help out, you are being a helpful member to this project. (As I said already)
[21:24] No.
[21:24] And my arugment is that jobs should be gone.
[21:24] the whole job thing should go away,y es.
[21:25] so, what are we waiting for? We have a project to finish :)
[21:26] Let's get the threads ported to kuribo64, and continue progress.

Whole thing.

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MoreCowbell
Posted on 12-04-12 09:35 PM Link | #1439
I really disagree with losing jobs. I think it motivates people to work. And with all due respect to MrRean, let's remember that a lot of this drama involved him. I just don't want to see jobs go like this because of a few people.

MK7tester
Posted on 12-04-12 09:36 PM Link | #1440
I agree with this, actually, you don't need a title to prove that you have skill, you need actual proof. I think the list of members and jobs thread should be deleted aswell if jobs do, because then people will fight to gain their name on that thread.

shibboleet
Posted on 12-04-12 09:37 PM Link | #1441
Exactly, plus It's causing drama and arguments on why they don't have it, and etc
(No mentioning names)

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MoreCowbell
Posted on 12-04-12 09:38 PM Link | #1442
Right, but having jobs peacefully keeps us together. The problem isn't jobs, it's the people causing drama. We need to learn how to have some healthy competition on this project, which will help us work together.

shibboleet
Posted on 12-04-12 09:39 PM Link | #1443
Posted by MoreCowbell
Right, but having jobs peacefully keeps us together. The problem isn't jobs, it's the people causing drama. We need to learn how to have some healthy competition on this project, which will help us work together.

False. People just earn jobs just to be in the credits, and they just don't do anything else after they earn the job.

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MK7tester
Posted on 12-04-12 09:39 PM Link | #1444
But wait,

I still see an issue, with nothing to work for, everyone will start wanting to be a Moderator to gain some sort of importance...and that doesn't work well.

shibboleet
Posted on 12-04-12 09:40 PM Link | #1445
Posted by Silver
But wait,

I still see an issue, with nothing to work for, everyone will start wanting to be a Moderator to gain some sort of importance...and that doesn't work well.

Not happening. The moderators that we have are the moderators that will stay. Nobody else.

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MoreCowbell
Posted on 12-04-12 09:41 PM Link | #1446
That's not true MrRean. I want a job to effectively help this project. I think there are others who do to.

Dirbaio
Posted on 12-04-12 09:42 PM Link | #1447
Posted by MoreCowbell
We need to learn how to have some healthy competition on this project, which will help us work together.


Competition is always bad if people don't know how to handle it. I've seen quite a few NSMB hacking contests blow up because of this in NSMBHD. Jobs are a form of competition too.

Posted by MoreCowbell
That's not true MrRean. I want a job to effectively help this project. I think there are others who do to.
If you want to help the project then DO IT. No need for jobs. You will be judged by what you have contributed, that's all.

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MoreCowbell
Posted on 12-04-12 09:46 PM Link | #1449
I am doing it. MrRean said himself he only cares about getting his job done, and while this is good, I don't think he should choose how we get to do our jobs.

shibboleet
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Dirbaio
Posted on 12-04-12 09:50 PM Link | #1451
It's not his decision. I started to talk about it on IRC.

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shibboleet
Posted on 12-04-12 09:51 PM Link | #1452

21:22] You know what? This goes to everyone.
[21:22] Everybody here.
[21:22] I didn't see it
[21:22] We aren't here just to be important have an awesome job and brag about it.
[21:22] What are we here for? A hack.
[21:22] A FUN hack.
[21:23] Jobs don't matter.
[21:23] Who's bragging?
[21:23] As long as you help out, and contribute to the project, you are being a helpful member.
[21:23] "Jobs" just show that you created a level.
[21:23] or
[21:23] you did whatever your job is.
[21:23] .......and?
[21:23] Who cares if you are jobless?
[21:24] How about this? Ask for a job repeatedly and you're gone
[21:24] If you contribute ideas, and help out, you are being a helpful member to this project. (As I said already)
[21:24] No.
[21:24] And my arugment is that jobs should be gone.
[21:24] the whole job thing should go away,y es.
[21:25] so, what are we waiting for? We have a project to finish :)
[21:26] Let's get the threads ported to kuribo64, and continue progress.

Better? It's in a spoiler, and this says something.
It says everything in my argument

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MoreCowbell
Posted on 12-04-12 09:56 PM Link | #1453
Before I leave, let me say one thing. I want this project finished. Right now, people don't trust each other here. We need to restore that trust and focus on our jobs. Our jobs give us a place in the project. Our jobs let people know who we are and what we do. Admit it, we all like seeing our name in that list. And maybe its true that creating healthy competition is hard, but we need to do it no matter what. If you care about Super Mario Galaxy 2.5, then stay here and make it work.
-MoreCowbell

Dirbaio
Posted on 12-04-12 10:00 PM Link | #1454
Everyone will be credited for what they have done in the end. If someone has done more than one thing (for example levels and music) he'll be credited in both, obviously.

Credits are not a problem :)

The competition thing is terribly wrong.
But you're very right, you guys need to get everything back together.


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StapleButter
Posted on 12-05-12 07:22 AM Link | #1465
I say jobs to hell. People should actually care about the project and contribute all they can, rather than fighting over titles like elementary school kids fighting over candy.

Also, no more job application threads please. The existing ones will be trashed, and the job application forum will be removed.

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NWPlayer123
Posted on 12-05-12 09:50 AM Link | #1467
I closed them for the time being :P

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MK7tester
Posted on 12-05-12 09:55 AM Link | #1468
Don't you think a poll would have been convienient in this situation? ._.
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